Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Sep 17 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:47:10AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >>On Thu, Sep 10 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote: >>> >>> Well, what happens if somebody wants to maintain software where there >>> is a strong set of opinion that we don't want it? In this ca

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-18 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:24:15PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >Still, I fail to see exactly how Steve was proposing to solve the > >issue. He mentioned a vote, but to me the proposal was too vague to even > >understand what we can vote about. > Oh, absolutely. :-) I don't have a concrete propos

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-17 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:47:10AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >On Thu, Sep 10 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> >> Well, what happens if somebody wants to maintain software where there >> is a strong set of opinion that we don't want it? In this case, I'd >> like to delegate the power to the ftpma

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-17 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 01:16:38PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: >On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 00:12:18 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> Thoughts? >> >I'm very much in favour of something like this. Debian is better off >without schilyware imo. That's an obvious example, but (as others have pointed o

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-17 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:11:54AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: >On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:42:45PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> > In my opinion, the current recommendation in the developer >> > references is enough for now: > >I concur. > >> Different thing. This encourages the maintainer to

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-17 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 06:42:15PM +0100, Matthew Johnson wrote: >On Thu Sep 10 12:53, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> Well, what happens if somebody wants to maintain software where there >> is a strong set of opinion that we don't want it? In this case, I'd >> like to delegate the power to the ftpmaster

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-13 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 01:16:38PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 00:12:18 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > > Thoughts? > > > I'm very much in favour of something like this. Debian is better off > without schilyware imo. it's sadly not only about shilly. Some tuomoware i

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 03:07:47PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Matthew Johnson wrote: > > On Thu Sep 10 12:53, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > > Well, what happens if somebody wants to maintain software where there > > > is a strong set of opinion that we don't want it? In this cas

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-11 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Matthew Johnson wrote: > On Thu Sep 10 12:53, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > Well, what happens if somebody wants to maintain software where there > > is a strong set of opinion that we don't want it? In this case, I'd > > like to delegate the power to the ftpmasters to say so and r

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-11 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Thu Sep 10 12:53, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Well, what happens if somebody wants to maintain software where there > is a strong set of opinion that we don't want it? In this case, I'd > like to delegate the power to the ftpmasters to say so and reject from > NEW etc. If we have a clear consensus t

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-11 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:42:45PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > In my opinion, the current recommendation in the developer > > references is enough for now: I concur. > Different thing. This encourages the maintainer to think if he wants > it. Now, what if the maintainer wants it (hey, some pe

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
> In terms of rationale, I think it's clear that we do *not* have to > package every piece of Free Software that is available to us. If we > can't have a sensible relationship with the upstream developers, then > I believe it would be better not to expose Debian and our users to the > problems tha

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
>> Thoughts? > I'm very much in favour of something like this. Debian is better off > without schilyware imo. This isnt special to that. We had/have other people as upstreams we might not like. (How about the one that purposely added broken code in a way that it will run on every users system bu

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
>> There has been some discussion in the last couple of years about >> whether or not Debian should distribute software that was written by >> developers that we consider to be "hostile". > In my opinion, the current recommendation in the developer references > is enough for now: Different thing.

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Sep 10 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:00:53AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: >>If someone really want to maintain such package, we should not >>prohibit it, but we should make it clear that it is strongly >>recommended to not maintain such package, and that th

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:00:53AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: >[Steve McIntyre] >> There has been some discussion in the last couple of years about >> whether or not Debian should distribute software that was written by >> developers that we consider to be "hostile". > >In my opinion, the cu

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Julien Cristau
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 00:12:18 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Thoughts? > I'm very much in favour of something like this. Debian is better off without schilyware imo. Cheers, Julien -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Steve McIntyre] > There has been some discussion in the last couple of years about > whether or not Debian should distribute software that was written by > developers that we consider to be "hostile". In my opinion, the current recommendation in the developer references is enough for now: If

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-09 Thread Paul Wise
The developers reference now contains a paragraph concerning hostile upstreams: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/developer-duties.html#upstream-coordination http://bugs.debian.org/523985 -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-req

Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-09 Thread Steve McIntyre
Hi folks, There has been some discussion in the last couple of years about whether or not Debian should distribute software that was written by developers that we consider to be "hostile". I also ended up talking to multiple people at DebConf about this issue and it was suggested that we should ha