Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining

2019-02-01 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 09/01/19 17:03, Ian Jackson wrote: > Please search your communications archives. I notice Norbert is somebody who goes beyond the core responsibilities of maintaining packages, thinks about challenging social issues that affect our community and looks for ways to communicate about them.  Mistak

Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining

2019-01-09 Thread 韓達耐
Hi Ian On Thu, 10 Jan 2019, 02:03 Ian Jackson Very regrettably, it may become necessary to produce a fuller list of > incidents, including responses, to justify the recent DAM decision. > > Please search your communications archives. If you have had an > adverse experience of any kind with Norbe

Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining

2019-01-09 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire
On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 05:03:14PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Very regrettably, it may become necessary to produce a fuller list of > incidents, including responses, to justify the recent DAM decision. > > Please search your communications archives. If you have had an > adverse experience of any

Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining

2019-01-09 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15277 March 1977, Ian Jackson wrote: Very regrettably, it may become necessary to produce a fuller list of incidents, including responses, to justify the recent DAM decision. Please search your communications archives. If you have had an adverse experience of any kind with Norbert Preining, i

Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining

2019-01-09 Thread Wookey
On 2019-01-09 17:03 +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Please search your communications archives. If you have had an > adverse experience of any kind with Norbert Preining, in public or in > private, please email me. What about if we have only had positive experience/communications? Can we not submit

Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining

2019-01-09 Thread Michael K. Edwards
Outsider here. Conflict around Norbert's mode of discourse and Ian's mode of responding to it has clearly been an ongoing problem for Debian for over five years: https://lwn.net/Articles/575390/ What tools for resolving this exist now that didn't exist then? If the answer is "nothing much", the

Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining

2019-01-09 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Thomas Lange - 09.01.19, 18:17: > > This reminded me about > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2018/12/msg00025.html > > For easier understanding, this is the post from Daniel with subject: > > "€ 500 cash bounty for information / Debian privacy breaches" Thanks for looking it up. I do

Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining

2019-01-09 Thread Thomas Lange
> This reminded me about > https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2018/12/msg00025.html For easier understanding, this is the post from Daniel with subject: "€ 500 cash bounty for information / Debian privacy breaches" -- regards Thomas

Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining

2019-01-09 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 05:03:14PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Very regrettably, it may become necessary to produce a fuller list of > incidents, including responses, to justify the recent DAM decision. > Ian, How can you consider post hoc evidence gathering and justification to be ethical? Rega

Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining

2019-01-09 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 05:03:14PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Very regrettably, it may become necessary to produce a fuller list of > incidents, including responses, to justify the recent DAM decision. Sorry, but such things should be collected before a decision, not after. "Please help us justify

Call for experiences of Norbert Preining

2019-01-09 Thread Ian Jackson
experiences of Norbert Preining' as your Subject line. I will summarise and collate these reports. I will *only* share this information if there is a Debian GR which would have the effect of reinstating Norbert. If there is such a GR, I will share the collation publicly. (If the Constit