Re: About expulsion requests

2006-04-15 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 06:49:18PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: >> That would mean that if somebody _has_ done something that merits >> expulsion (knowingly uploading packages with trojaned backdoors in >> them is the clearest example that comes to m

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-04-14 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 06:49:18PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> So far as I can tell, the decision to make the first message public or > >> semi-public has been a decision taken by the people who chose to start it, > >> not by the process, and cha

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-04-11 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> So far as I can tell, the decision to make the first message public or >> semi-public has been a decision taken by the people who chose to start it, >> not by the process, and changing the process isn't going to address that >> problem (unless, I suppose

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-04-11 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Seg, 2006-04-10 às 21:30 +0200, Sven Luther escreveu: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 03:51:19PM +0100, Christoph Berg wrote: > > I know that having codified expulsion procedures is tempting to use > > them, and I do think that they are a good thing to have. But please > > consider one thing when you

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-04-11 Thread MJ Ray
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Maybe we can convince more people to ignore such public statements unless > the expulsion process *actually* starts (which so far as I can tell has > yet to ever happen). I think there have been at least two expulsion processes started, but both have ended at ste

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-04-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 08:15:29PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The only real way to handle this, is to modify the expulsion process, > > and to start the process not with a public or private lynching process, > > but with a first step consisting of as

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-04-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The only real way to handle this, is to modify the expulsion process, > and to start the process not with a public or private lynching process, > but with a first step consisting of asking the DPL, or someone delegated > by him, to do a private mediation p

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-04-10 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Lun 10 Avril 2006 21:30, Sven Luther a écrit : > On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 03:51:19PM +0100, Christoph Berg wrote: > > Dear developers, > > > > I know that having codified expulsion procedures is tempting to use > > them, and I do think that they are a good thing to have. But please > > consider o

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-04-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 03:51:19PM +0100, Christoph Berg wrote: > Dear developers, > > I know that having codified expulsion procedures is tempting to use > them, and I do think that they are a good thing to have. But please > consider one thing when you think about invoking them: [1] As someone

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-03-20 Thread MJ Ray
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 16 Mar 2006, MJ Ray spake thusly: > > I disagree. The candidate only seems to get that choice > > after there are enough people gathered against them. When a > > totally crap request collapses without getting Q supporters, > > the request and supporters det

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-03-19 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Harald Geyer wrote: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > I think the idea is that the person facing expulsion procedures > > may not want future employers to be able to google about the > > episode. Given that the process does fail, it would simplify matters

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-03-19 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.19.1457 +0100]: > It can be searched using google groups. See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/. So a future employee can google bugs. It's probably only a question of time until Google integrates groups with the main web search. -- Please do not send

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-03-19 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 19 March 2006 14:39, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Thijs Kinkhorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.19.1416 +0100]: > > > I don't want future employers to be able to google about my bugs. > > > > http://bugs.debian.org/robots.txt > > Mh. Our bug database is also a source of informatio

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-03-19 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Thijs Kinkhorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.03.19.1416 +0100]: > > I don't want future employers to be able to google about my bugs. > > http://bugs.debian.org/robots.txt Mh. Our bug database is also a source of information... why not index it? -- Please do not send copies of list

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-03-19 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sun, 2006-03-19 at 13:32 +0100, Harald Geyer wrote: > I don't want future employers to be able to google about my bugs. http://bugs.debian.org/robots.txt Thijs :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-03-19 Thread Harald Geyer
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I think the idea is that the person facing expulsion procedures > may not want future employers to be able to google about the > episode. Given that the process does fail, it would simplify matters > for the individual if they did not have to try

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-03-18 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 16 Mar 2006, MJ Ray spake thusly: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> On 16 Mar 2006, Christoph Berg stated: >>> I for myself would very much prefer the rumors, and maybe even >>> publically spreading (leaking?) the word on irc than to deliver >>> the expulsion request directly to every l

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-03-16 Thread MJ Ray
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 16 Mar 2006, Christoph Berg stated: > > I for myself would very much prefer the rumors, and maybe even > > publically spreading (leaking?) the word on irc than to deliver the > > expulsion request directly to every lurking slashdot/heise/whatever > > writer

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-03-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 16 Mar 2006, Christoph Berg stated: > Re: Lars Wirzenius 2006-03-16 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> I disagree. Posting things to -private does not really keep them >> secret or confidential, but it does generate a lot of >> rumors. Rumors are usually worse than the real thing. Therefore, in >> my hon

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-03-16 Thread Christoph Berg
Re: Lars Wirzenius 2006-03-16 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I disagree. Posting things to -private does not really keep them secret > or confidential, but it does generate a lot of rumors. Rumors are > usually worse than the real thing. Therefore, in my honest opinion, it's > better to keep things in the o

Re: About expulsion requests

2006-03-16 Thread Lars Wirzenius
to, 2006-03-16 kello 15:51 +0100, Christoph Berg kirjoitti: > I know that having codified expulsion procedures is tempting to use > them, and I do think that they are a good thing to have. But please > consider one thing when you think about invoking them: [1] > > Please use debian-private. [3] I

About expulsion requests

2006-03-16 Thread Christoph Berg
Dear developers, I know that having codified expulsion procedures is tempting to use them, and I do think that they are a good thing to have. But please consider one thing when you think about invoking them: [1] Please use debian-private. [3] The reason is simply that expulsion is not a technica