Le vendredi 12 juin 2020 à 17:12:08-0400, Mark Pearson a écrit :
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> On 6/10/2020 2:59 PM, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
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> > > My plan before this conversation came up was to keep an eye on
> > > what fixes were needed to get things wor
On 2020-06-14 10:59, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> Hibernation doesn't work with Secure Boot at the moment (there's no
> infrastructure in the Linux kernel to verify that you're not resuming to an
> “unsigned” memory image). Not sure how much people hibernate these days anyway
I *always* hibernate my
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On Fri, 2020-06-12 at 17:12 -0400, Mark Pearson wrote:
> On 6/10/2020 2:59 PM, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> - Audio is a constant headache (instead of earache).
> - Graphics is frequently fun. Nvidia cards definitely add a challenge
> but I think that
Hi Kurt
On 6/13/2020 5:47 AM, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 05:10:11PM -0400, Mark Pearson wrote:
Hi Kurt
On 6/12/2020 2:58 PM, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 01:39:08PM +, Mark Pearson wrote:
The good - Lenovo are expanding what they offer on Linux (we
had anot
On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 05:10:11PM -0400, Mark Pearson wrote:
> Hi Kurt
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> On 6/12/2020 2:58 PM, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 01:39:08PM +, Mark Pearson wrote:
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> > > The good - Lenovo are expanding what they offer on Linux (we had another
> > > big announcement yeste
On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 9:47 PM Mark Pearson wrote:
> I have some ideas but is there a 'wishlist' or guidance on which
> platforms are the most popular? Either Lenovo specifics (makes my life
> easier) or general "it should have at least ".
Assume you are talking about hardware platforms here
On 6/10/2020 2:59 PM, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
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My plan before this conversation came up was to keep an eye on
what fixes were needed to get things working on the
Ubuntu/Fedora/RHEL front and then once those were upstream work on
getting those
Hi Kurt
On 6/12/2020 2:58 PM, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 01:39:08PM +, Mark Pearson wrote:
The good - Lenovo are expanding what they offer on Linux (we had another big
announcement yesterday about doing full config on our workstations with Ubuntu
and RHEL). We're asking H
On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 01:39:08PM +, Mark Pearson wrote:
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> The good - Lenovo are expanding what they offer on Linux (we had another big
> announcement yesterday about doing full config on our workstations with
> Ubuntu and RHEL). We're asking HW vendors to have Linux support upstream
> i
On 6/10/20 2:50 AM, RP wrote:
> On 6/9/20 12:19 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> use the install disk as an all around rescue disk.
>> You can - there's a "rescue mode" if you look in the boot menus...
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> That's true, but I was looking for more tools than what busybox comes
> with. Like an all purpo
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On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 08:43 -0400, Mark Pearson wrote:
> Hi Yves-Alexis
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> > What can be done in the Debian community to help you do that *before*
> > the hardware are in the hand of volunteers, because as you already
> > said that means the laptop
On 6/10/20 4:52 AM, Michael Kesper wrote:
It would be nice if such a thing would be available as an official Debian live
cd rescue image.
No debian-live currently includes tools like lvm, for example.
So you depend on a working network setup for rescueing encrypted partitions etc.
Just my 2
Hi Yves-Alexis
On 6/6/2020 10:43 AM, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
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On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 11:58 -0400, Mark Pearson wrote:
That's where doing a Debian pre-load would be challenging (which
is really where this conversation started). If support for a
pla
Hi all,
On 10.06.20 01:59, RP wrote:
> On 6/9/20 12:19 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> use the install disk as an all around rescue disk.
>> You can - there's a "rescue mode" if you look in the boot menus...
>>
> That's true, but I was looking for more tools than what busybox comes with.
> Like an
On 6/9/20 12:19 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
use the install disk as an all around rescue disk.
You can - there's a "rescue mode" if you look in the boot menus...
That's true, but I was looking for more tools than what busybox comes
with. Like an all purpose installer/rescue disk. The suggestion
On Tue, Jun 09, 2020 at 10:24:53AM -0700, RP wrote:
>On 6/9/20 8:08 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
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>> Why would we want to do that when downstream distributions for this
>> purpose are available. Frankly, I don't currently see that a Debian
>> rescue image could reach grml's level of matureness in time.
On 6/9/20 8:08 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
Why would we want to do that when downstream distributions for this
purpose are available. Frankly, I don't currently see that a Debian
rescue image could reach grml's level of matureness in time. We do have
more important things to spend our personpower on t
Quoting Marc Haber (2020-06-09 17:08:25)
> On Sat, Jun 06, 2020 at 03:09:26AM +, Paul Wise wrote:
> > Debian used to publish a "recovery" variant of Debian Live, but that
> > was dropped due to lack of maintenance at one point. I note there are
> > several Debian derivatives producing rescue/re
On Sat, Jun 06, 2020 at 03:09:26AM +, Paul Wise wrote:
> Debian used to publish a "recovery" variant of Debian Live, but that
> was dropped due to lack of maintenance at one point. I note there are
> several Debian derivatives producing rescue/recovery live media (Grml,
> rescatux, Finnix come
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On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 11:58 -0400, Mark Pearson wrote:
> That's where doing a Debian pre-load would be challenging (which is
> really where this conversation started). If support for a platform isn't
> there until 6 to 8 months after it's shipped (
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 7:46 PM Philip Hands wrote:
> Of course, Grml isn't a direct output of the Debian project, so perhaps
> people might take issue with having that as the "Debian Recovery
> Option", but it is closely based on Debian, and includes a couple of
> ways of installing vanilla Debian
Mark Pearson writes:
>>> 3. Rescue partition
>>>
>>> Laptop manufacturers usually don't ship with physical media anymore.
>>> Instead, the laptops have a rescue partition on them for
>>> re-installing/resetting the machine.
>>>
>>> As far as I know both installers we currently use in Debian are f
On 2020-06-05 12:12, Mark Pearson wrote:
> You will be able to buy a Linux system
> (albeit not Debian) soon.
That's fine with me! If a notebook computer works with any
Linux, I'm confident, that I/someone can put Debian on it!
Hi Martin
On 6/5/2020 11:03 AM, Martin wrote:
On 2020-06-03 13:39, Mark Pearson wrote:
I'm the linux technical lead at Lenovo for the PC team and I'd
*love* to improve the Debian experience on Lenovo platforms.
Very welcome!
Just to add some praise here: I'm using X220 at home and X220 at
w
Hi Marc
On 6/5/2020 9:51 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 09:13:39AM -0400, Mark Pearson wrote:
On 6/5/2020 5:03 AM, Pirate Praveen wrote:
While we're asking for rainbow colored unicorns here, I'd love the
Lenovo support organiation to be a little less bitchy when one admits
usin
Hi Paul
On 6/5/2020 9:28 AM, Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:20 PM Mark Pearson wrote:
I haven't so far got as far as thinking about the backporting stage so I
probably need more education there. My goal so far has been to get fixes
from upstream into sid so that Debian users can pic
On 2020-06-03 13:39, Mark Pearson wrote:
> I'm the linux technical lead at Lenovo for the PC team and I'd *love* to
> improve the Debian experience on Lenovo platforms.
Very welcome!
Just to add some praise here: I'm using X220 at home and X220 at
work, one with Debian testing, one with Debian s
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 9:13 am, Mark Pearson
wrote:
Hi Pirate
On 6/5/2020 5:03 AM, Pirate Praveen wrote:
Hi Mark,
I also use a Thinkpad (X240) with Debian unstable, it mostly work
except for some issues with touchpad and suspend (touchpad stops
working after resuming from suspend
On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 09:13:39AM -0400, Mark Pearson wrote:
> On 6/5/2020 5:03 AM, Pirate Praveen wrote:
> > I also use a Thinkpad (X240) with Debian unstable, it mostly work except
> > for some issues with touchpad and suspend (touchpad stops working after
> > resuming from suspend, but I work a
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 1:20 PM Mark Pearson wrote:
> I haven't so far got as far as thinking about the backporting stage so I
> probably need more education there. My goal so far has been to get fixes
> from upstream into sid so that Debian users can pick them up from there.
It sounds like you ar
Hi Pirate
On 6/5/2020 5:03 AM, Pirate Praveen wrote:
Hi Mark,
I also use a Thinkpad (X240) with Debian unstable, it mostly work except
for some issues with touchpad and suspend (touchpad stops working after
resuming from suspend, but I work around it using an external mouse).
OK - I'll
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 1:39 pm, Mark Pearson
wrote:
From my point of view what I've been trying to do is to get more
involved so I can contribute/backport fixes directly. I get good
insight into what issues impact our platforms and when fixes land
upstream. It seems the best way to make co
Hi,
Thank you for your mail.
In short term, Lenovo cannot provide Debian pre-installed laptops
since there are some blockers for it. But they want to give better
experience with Linux for their laptop users, including Debian.
So, we can continue to talk with them, will try to find the root
❦ 4 juin 2020 00:35 +00, Paul Wise:
>> Then, we need the SOF firmwares, currently not in Debian. I see
>> you have #960788. I just got aware of it through #962134. I am happy to
>> help you on this package and get it uploaded.
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> Unfortunately SOF firmware, while it has freely licensed source c
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:51 PM Vincent Bernat wrote:
> Then, we need the SOF firmwares, currently not in Debian. I see
> you have #960788. I just got aware of it through #962134. I am happy to
> help you on this package and get it uploaded.
Unfortunately SOF firmware, while it has freely licensed
Hi Jonathan
On 6/3/2020 4:40 PM, Jonathan Carter wrote:
Hey Mark
On 2020/06/03 20:24, Mark Pearson wrote:
In my mind the best long term solution for Debian is if Lenovo are
contributing fixes ourselves - after all we usually know what the fixes
are. We're not technically at the stage where t
Hey Mark
On 2020/06/03 20:24, Mark Pearson wrote:
>>> 1. Support
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what you did in the case with Fedora, but my guess is you
>>> have some agreement with how to handle support calls for Fedora on the
>>> system. Debian isn't backed by any one company, and in the immediate
>>> fu
Hi Vincent
On 6/3/2020 3:29 PM, Vincent Bernat wrote:
❦ 3 juin 2020 13:39 +00, Mark Pearson:
As an important example - the X1 Carbon 7 (which is a popular machine)
still doesn't work well with any version of Debian (including
experimental or testing) as the audio is broken. Debian users hav
❦ 3 juin 2020 13:39 +00, Mark Pearson:
> As an important example - the X1 Carbon 7 (which is a popular machine)
> still doesn't work well with any version of Debian (including
> experimental or testing) as the audio is broken. Debian users have to
> jump through a few hoops to get it to work. I'
Hi Jonathan
Thanks for the follow up.
Also - apologies as I realised I used my non-linux friendly email
account for my original posting with all the horrible outlook mangling.
I'm posting this from my alternative account which avoids outlook (I'm
just transitioning between the two accounts...
Hi Mark,
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 9:02 AM Jonathan Carter wrote:
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> My x250 is 5 years old
So is my T450s, and it's not the first. Lenovo and Debian are a great
combo. Thanks for taking this initiative!
Kind regards
Felix Lechner
On Wed, Jun 03, 2020 at 05:53:50PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> Hi Mark!
[...]
This is from the peanut gallery, from a simple Debian user.
Thanks you both for this delightful exchange. This is one of the
things why I love Debian -- running, BTW, on a thinkpad, which
is an awesome machine, too
Hi Mark!
On 2020/06/03 15:39, Mark Pearson wrote:
>> I guess it should be possible, but the biggest challenge is probably to
>> get the right contact to talk with. Do we have such a contact ?
>>
> I started replying to this thread late last night and after a few iterations
> I gave up and went to
Hi
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> Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 8:10 AM
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> On 6/3/20 4:30 AM, Hideki Yamane wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've found an article about Lenovo ships Fedora pre-installed machine.
> > https://news.lenovo.com/smarter-technology-for-all-extends-to-th
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