Re: [Debconf-team] Budget status - travel sponsorship)

2012-07-06 Thread Joey Schulze
Holger Levsen wrote: > as I've said several times already, the hardest part is finding people doing > whatever the best procedure for this is. > > The problem with that is that DebConf is quite a lot of work for the team for > 2-3 months before the conf, then the conference itself and then clea

Re: [Debconf-team] Budget status - travel sponsorship)

2012-07-05 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, as I've said several times already, the hardest part is finding people doing whatever the best procedure for this is. The problem with that is that DebConf is quite a lot of work for the team for 2-3 months before the conf, then the conference itself and then cleaning it all up, which usu

Re: [Debconf-team] Budget status - travel sponsorship)

2012-07-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Richard Darst writes ("Re: [Debconf-team] Budget status - travel sponsorship)"): > As I said, I think the difference is people need to make a conscious > decision that more risk of a deficit is an acceptable trade-off for > allocating (not necessarily spending) money soon

Re: [Debconf-team] Budget status - travel sponsorship)

2012-07-05 Thread Richard Darst
Hi, On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 12:40:06AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > Richard Darst > > It is hard to improve things. The order we spend money is: venue > > rental, accom, food, , travel. If travel is > > prioritized low, and we always are short of money, travel will keep > > being last. > > I'm not s

Re: [Debconf-team] Budget status - travel sponsorship)

2012-07-04 Thread MJ Ray
Richard Darst > It is hard to improve things. The order we spend money is: venue > rental, accom, food, , travel. If travel is > prioritized low, and we always are short of money, travel will keep > being last. I'm not sure that's quite right. Debconf might allocate the money in that order, bu

Re: DebConf travel sponsorship (was: Re: [Debconf-team] Budget status - travel sponsorship)

2012-06-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 03:35:20AM -0400, Richard Darst wrote: > [debconf-surplus] For readers of -project, here's what this means: > Sponsors slowly pledge money over the spring, and we usually are in a > panic about "oh no, we have no money to afford anything". But as time > goes on, things get

Re: DebConf travel sponsorship (was: Re: [Debconf-team] Budget status - travel sponsorship)

2012-06-20 Thread Richard Darst
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 04:21:47PM +0100, Iain Lane wrote: > I am not saying that the transfer of money should take place before the > tickets are purchased, just that it should happen a lot sooner (so that > sponsorees can estimate their costs with confidence, and so that > sponsors get more for

Re: DebConf travel sponsorship (was: Re: [Debconf-team] Budget status - travel sponsorship)

2012-06-20 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Mittwoch, 20. Juni 2012, Richard Darst wrote: > It is hard to improve things. The order we spend money is: venue > rental, accom, food, , travel. If travel is > prioritized low, and we always are short of money, travel will keep > being last. Yup. And from a conference organizer POV, thi

Re: DebConf travel sponsorship (was: Re: [Debconf-team] Budget status - travel sponsorship)

2012-06-20 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 03:03:46PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Richard Darst writes ("DebConf travel sponsorship"): > > But there is something we could do: "Summon Bigger Bank". We would > > basically want something to even out the year to year uncertainty, > > and average out the travel sponsorsh

Re: DebConf travel sponsorship (was: Re: [Debconf-team] Budget status - travel sponsorship)

2012-06-20 Thread Iain Lane
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 04:57:08PM +0200, Martin Wuertele wrote: > * Iain Lane [2012-06-20 16:25]: > > > Decisions and transfers of money should happen significantly before the > > conference is to take place. 4-6 months, as you suggest, is probably > > about fair. I would very much hope, given t

Re: DebConf travel sponsorship (was: Re: [Debconf-team] Budget status - travel sponsorship)

2012-06-20 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Iain Lane [2012-06-20 16:25]: > Decisions and transfers of money should happen significantly before the > conference is to take place. 4-6 months, as you suggest, is probably > about fair. I would very much hope, given the importance of Debconf, > that Debian is willing to underwrite this cost.

Re: DebConf travel sponsorship (was: Re: [Debconf-team] Budget status - travel sponsorship)

2012-06-20 Thread Iain Lane
Hiya, On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 03:03:46PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > […] > The current travel sponsorship system is not fit for purpose. Someone > who can't go unless they get travel sponsorship can't book their > travel unless either they get the sponsorship in time to do so, or > they find some

DebConf travel sponsorship (was: Re: [Debconf-team] Budget status - travel sponsorship)

2012-06-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Richard Darst writes ("DebConf travel sponsorship (was: Re: [Debconf-team] Budget status - travel sponsorship)"): > But there is something we could do: "Summon Bigger Bank". We would > basically want something to even out the year to year uncertainty, and > avera

Re: DebConf travel sponsorship (was: Re: [Debconf-team] Budget status - travel sponsorship)

2012-06-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Richard Darst wrote: > If people are interested, I can research more details and present a > better report on the practicality of this scheme, and of course, to > help make it so next year. As someone who missed out on DebConf6 in Mexico due to travel sponsorship

DebConf travel sponsorship (was: Re: [Debconf-team] Budget status - travel sponsorship)

2012-06-20 Thread Richard Darst
[ Background for -project readers: debconf-team was discussing travel sponsorship money this year, and how it was sent so late, and how extremely non-ideal that is, considering when it is given so late prices are so much higher that the money can't go as far. ] On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 04: