Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

2013-11-04 Thread Uoti Urpala
Russ Allbery wrote: > CamaleĆ³n writes: > > > The mailing list managers/admins have the right to ban whoever they > > decide, but in the aim of "fair play", the user should also have the > > right to defend him/herself from the accusations, expose his/her > > reasoning and be able to restore him/h

Re: Inbound trademark policy, round 3

2013-01-10 Thread Uoti Urpala
Ian Jackson wrote: > Uoti Urpala writes ("Re: Inbound trademark policy, round 3"): > > Ian Jackson wrote: > > > 1. DFSG principles should apply. > > > > IMO taking this as a starting point is completely wrong. DFSG guarantees > > that incompet

Re: Inbound trademark policy, round 3

2013-01-09 Thread Uoti Urpala
Russ Allbery wrote: > Uoti Urpala writes: > > DFSG allow a rename requirement; this means any trademark policy > > whatsoever cannot violate DFSG as long as it allows distributing > > unmodified sources and binaries, as you can always rename and then > > ignore the tra

Re: Inbound trademark policy, round 3

2013-01-09 Thread Uoti Urpala
Don Armstrong wrote: > On Wed, 09 Jan 2013, Uoti Urpala wrote: > > Ian Jackson wrote: > > > 1. DFSG principles should apply. > > > > IMO taking this as a starting point is completely wrong. DFSG > > guarantees that incompetent and malicious people may

Re: Inbound trademark policy, round 3

2013-01-09 Thread Uoti Urpala
Ian Jackson wrote: > 1. DFSG principles should apply. IMO taking this as a starting point is completely wrong. DFSG guarantees that incompetent and malicious people may freely modify the software. For trademarks to have any meaning at all, distributing those modified versions under the original t

Re: trademark licenses and DFSG: a summary

2012-02-20 Thread Uoti Urpala
Ben Finney benfinney.id.au> writes: > Uoti Urpala pp1.inet.fi> writes: > > A trademark owner may trust the processes used by the Debian project > > to produce results that meet their quality criteria, and may be able > > to monitor the versions actually released

Re: trademark licenses and DFSG: a summary

2012-02-20 Thread Uoti Urpala
Craig Small debian.org> writes: > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 03:26:59PM +, Uoti Urpala wrote: > > requirements. That say Firefox is distributed under a DFSG-free > > license means that any idiot who thinks it's a great idea to create a > > browser that replaces all

Re: trademark licenses and DFSG: a summary

2012-02-20 Thread Uoti Urpala
Andrei POPESCU gmail.com> writes: > On Du, 19 feb 12, 19:56:11, Uoti Urpala wrote: > > Thus, I think it would > > make sense to have arrangements allowing Debian specifically to modify the > > software in ways deemed necessary by the project without asking permission

Re: trademark licenses and DFSG: a summary

2012-02-20 Thread Uoti Urpala
Craig Small debian.org> writes: > "tentacles of evil" problem. Trademark isn't all about trust, it's > also about control. We, unfortunately, cannot ignore it but we have > to deal with it our way. > > All of the sections in the DFSG are important. We could of, when > framing the DFSG, gone the

Re: trademark licenses and DFSG: a summary

2012-02-19 Thread Uoti Urpala
Stefano Zacchiroli debian.org> writes: > - Debian should neither seek nor accept trademark licenses that are > specific to the Debian Project. > > (Suggested by Steve Langasek. In addition to Steve's reasoning, I > think that doing otherwise would go against the underlying principle > of