Re: Prospective Trusted Organizations - FFIS

2014-06-18 Thread Martin Schulze
martin f krafft wrote: > > > 3. In § 10 Abs. 8 it is stated that the minutes of the members' > > >meetings are to be made publicly available. Yet, the last set of > > >minutes linked online² is from 2006. § 10 Abs. 2 states that such > > >a meeting must take place once every two years.

Re: Prospective Trusted Organizations - FFIS

2014-05-31 Thread Martin Schulze
martin f krafft wrote: > I have one question about Joey's responses regarding FFIS: > > > > * The organization has decision-making processes that explicitely > > >delegate decisions on Debian assets to the Debian Project Leader > > > > true. > > For completeness: where is this "explicitly"

Re: Prospective Trusted Organizations - FFIS

2014-03-25 Thread Martin Schulze
Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Hi Joey, > > On 11/03/14 at 11:58 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > == The organization should be reliable, sustainable, and reactive == > > > * The organization has several people sharing the role of treasurer in > > >order to react quickly to requests in all circums

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-12 Thread Martin Schulze
Arno Töll wrote: > as somebody who pushed $work to donate money to Debian (i.e. via > FFIS), I always wondered about the financial merits of these > donations. As much as I am involved to work within Debian, I have no > clue what you used "our" money for. I am probably not literally > interested wh

Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > [Steve McIntyre] > > Yup, definitely. We already have an "unofficial non-free" area on > > cdimage.debian.org which is where we've been pushing the firmware > > zip/tar.gz files already. I'll set up the extra images to be dropped > > in there. > > A few days ago, I

Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-12 Thread Martin Schulze
Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > On 05/12/2010 04:27 PM, Martin Schulze wrote: > > I would like us to provide non-free firmware blobs that may be > > required during installation in tarballs that can be downloaded or - > > Downloading is exactly the problem. A lot of modern "ente

Re: Squeeze, firmware and installation

2010-05-12 Thread Martin Schulze
Holger Levsen wrote: > On Freitag, 7. Mai 2010, Paul Wise wrote: > > What makes it problematic to modify the install media (initrd I guess) > > you downloaded and add the firmware? > > For quite some people it's very difficult (hi bro!), for some it's impossible > (hi dad!) and for most of the re

Re: Money for Debian

2010-04-09 Thread Martin Schulze
Hi Eric, eric wrote: > I am french, excuse me for the fault in English Language. > It is possible for you to create a Paypal account to help you, it's more > easy for users. You can donate via donat...@ffis.de to ffis e.V. in Germany to support the Debian project. donat...@ffis.de is a registere

Re: Closed lists as maintainers

2009-12-29 Thread Martin Schulze
Russ Allbery wrote: > > I hope we can agree that maintainers should be able to receive mail from > > any legitimate sender. > > > However, some maintainer addresses point to mailing lists that > > automatically reject mail from non-subscribers (without the intervention > > of a moderator). The ca

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Frans Pop wrote: > On Thursday 10 September 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > 5 Pay people to do stuff we don't/can't/won't: > > g website redesign and restructuring >This is something we seem unable to make any progress at and that >is very much overdue. Especially the restruc

Re: Debian money, booth on german church meeting

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Martin Schulze wrote: > Thomas Koch wrote: > > > Thomas Koch wrote: > > > > There's a german association, "Linux user in der Kirche"[1] (Linux user > > > > in the church), which plans to organize a booth on the next big meeting > > > &g

Re: Debian money, booth on german church meeting

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Thomas Koch wrote: > > Thomas Koch wrote: > > > There's a german association, "Linux user in der Kirche"[1] (Linux user > > > in the church), which plans to organize a booth on the next big meeting > > > of the german church in 2010. > > > They aim is to promote the usage of linux in the administra

Re: Debian money, booth on german church meeting

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Thomas Koch wrote: > There's a german association, "Linux user in der Kirche"[1] (Linux user in > the > church), which plans to organize a booth on the next big meeting of the > german > church in 2010. > They aim is to promote the usage of linux in the administrations of church > communities

Re: I give up (for the time being)

2009-01-13 Thread Martin Schulze
Robert Millan wrote: > So, I'll stop now. Do not think this means the problem just got "solved". I > only do it because I expect we can have a healthy discussion about it after > Lenny is released. Thanks. Regards, Joey -- Life is a lot easier when you have someone to share it with.

Re: Member distributions and popularity

2008-11-20 Thread Martin Schulze
Ean Schuessler wrote: > > I started it off a long time ago although I don't have the time to > > maintain it. Of course, there's lots of room for improvement there. > > Right. I think one of the first areas for improvement would be making the > page easier to find! The only thing I can see on www

Re: Member distributions and popularity

2008-11-19 Thread Martin Schulze
Ean Schuessler wrote: > Hi. > > As everyone is aware, there has been plenty of debate about how Debian is > losing popularity. At the same time, the overall number of .deb packages > installed in the world is just going up and up and up. The "problem" is that > these .debs are often installed b

Re: Debian and non-free

2008-09-16 Thread Martin Schulze
David Paleino wrote: > Probably :) > If I were a DD (-- and I'm NM), I'd think a bit more before proposing a GR to > *completely* remove non-free. Non-free is, for some users, necessary (I'd > happily --purge flashplugin-nonfree, but I can't -- I need it [work, > university, $foo]). > Instead of r

Re: NM = good, DD = bad

2008-08-11 Thread Martin Schulze
Bruno Brandris wrote: > This aint a comedy actually. But I was asked by Julien Danjou > (another angry Debian Developer) by a gentle email to stop > spamming this mailing list, because he > "do[esn]t have a fucking shit interest" in my topics. Your mails are not helpful and you're showing the Sve

Re: please explain this violence

2008-01-31 Thread Martin Schulze
Jonathan Kermack wrote: > Stephen Gran, you Admin and Developer, > > your social environment seems not familiar with > the trivial logic, that aggressions cause new > aggressions. > > Everybody who uses dull defacements on official > mailing lists will give birth to 1 more person > who holds a mi

Re: Re^5: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-19 Thread Martin Schulze
Lars Versen wrote: > Steve Langasek, > MJ Ray, > > the way you give feedback makes it really hard to practise non-violent > communication. This mail is really nice, it gets to the point. This is something I missed in your original mail. Maybe you could provide the key items of your ideas withou

Re: using debian project name to solicit donations

2008-01-11 Thread Martin Schulze
Sam Hocevar wrote: >Thanks. For your information (the network is FreeNode): > > 13:24 -!- sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] has joined #xmms > 13:24 -!- Topic for #xmms: HAPPY 10TH ANNIVERSARY || http://www.xmms.org || > 1.2.11 RELEASED 1211 days after 1.2.10 > 13:24 -!- Topic set by Fatal [] [Fri Nov 16

Re: Debian e-mail and UUCP

2007-12-14 Thread Martin Schulze
John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri December 14 2007 8:00:10 am Martin Schulze wrote: > > > The "official" way for this would be to use the bsmtp service on gluck. > > Having a private UUCP installation on master is... interesting. > > Where can we find documentation o

Re: Debian e-mail and UUCP

2007-12-14 Thread Martin Schulze
Nicolas Boullis wrote: > Hi, > > Currently, my @d.o e-mail is forwarded to my e-mail at my ISP, where I > pop it with fetchmail to my home server. Unfortunately, my ISP appears > to be dropping some of my messages, probably pretending to be fighting > spam. > > Since my home server is not on 2

Re: Making Debian work: a question of trust indeed

2007-11-21 Thread Martin Schulze
Josip Rodin wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 11:03:32AM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: > > Marc Haber wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 01:39:39AM +0100, Sam Hocevar wrote: > > > >I also learned tonight that a few of the things I was complaining > > >

Re: Making Debian work: a question of trust indeed

2007-11-21 Thread Martin Schulze
Andreas Tille wrote: >> Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 11:03:32AM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: >>>>> The fact that the DPL does not know about important things going on >>>>> with Debian is a strong indicator that there is

Re: Making Debian work: a question of trust indeed

2007-11-21 Thread Martin Schulze
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 11:03:32AM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: > > > The fact that the DPL does not know about important things going on > > > with Debian is a strong indicator that there is something wrong with > > > the communica

Re: Making Debian work: a question of trust indeed

2007-11-21 Thread Martin Schulze
Marc Haber wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 01:39:39AM +0100, Sam Hocevar wrote: > >I also learned tonight that a few of the things I was complaining > > about were being worked on (though I was not aware of it), > > The fact that the DPL does not know about important things going on > with De

Re: CDD? (was Re: Bhutan releases Dzongkha Debian Linux)

2007-10-13 Thread Martin Schulze
Frans Pop wrote: > On Saturday 13 October 2007, Philippe Cloutier wrote: > > Congratulations, but is this a CDD? > > AFAIK they aim to be a CDD, but currently they have a number of modified > packages, mainly because (program) translations for Dzongkha are not (yet) > available in Debian Etch. >

Re: donation in EUR

2007-08-01 Thread Martin Schulze
Florian DUVAL wrote: > Hi, > > I want to makea donation, but i'm in the EURO zone, is it possible to > donate in EUR ? Yes, please see for example. There are also a Swiss (debian.ch) and an Austrian association as well as a Spanish one. Regards,

Re: Need of non-germany-tree in Debian?

2007-07-06 Thread Martin Schulze
Malte Hahlbeck wrote: > Today the upper House of the German Parliament (Bundesrat) > decided to declare Security Software like nmap, nessus etc. > illegal in a way that the software itself and not it's > criminal use is indictable. That is no Joke. This Law will > be active when it is published. Th

Re: Micros*ft deal

2007-06-21 Thread Martin Schulze
Robert Millan wrote: > > Hi, > > Since every GNU/Linux distributor seems to be positioning with regards to > possible patent deals with Microsoft, I thought we could do the same. > > Actually, it's totally unthinkable that a non-profit organization could do > this kind of deal, in which Microsof

Re: What do Open Source Projects need?

2007-06-06 Thread Martin Schulze
MJ Ray wrote: > Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > > The benefit of Planet Debian in this case is even that the log entry > > will expire after a shot while and it not visible to the public on > > that site anymore, contrary to mailing-list posts. [...] &g

Re: please

2007-06-06 Thread Martin Schulze
walter wrote: > Don't you think it would be a good idea including a few things in your > netinst cd? Wireless drivers, for example? Or, at least, the kernel > sources and compiler, so users will be able to compile the driver. I've Umh.. the netinst is "just" an installer that picks most of the pac

Re: What do Open Source Projects need?

2007-06-06 Thread Martin Schulze
Patrick Frank wrote: > But do we need people with special priviledges in responsible > positions like Christoph Berg aka Myon who make public > statements about other developers like this: There are always people and situations in which people misbehave. I'm pretty sure that it even happened to y

Re: Change of the debian code-name base?

2007-05-26 Thread Martin Schulze
Torsten Trautwein wrote: > On 5/26/07, Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Probably not, but then I'm not a fan of the Simpsons... > > So maybe you've got a suggestion we both and maybe the majority of the > Debian community likes? Maybe we could just leave it as it? It's not as there are no

Re: Some thoughts on the ARM build daemons

2007-05-08 Thread Martin Schulze
Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > Aurelien Jarno wrote: > > - tofee: up, building packages, sometimes stable-security. > > > > I think it is time to changes things. Our faster build daemons have a > > 233MHz CPU with 256MB of RAM, while there are way faster ARM CPU today. > > How much faster is the fast

Re: stable / backports (Re: When Debian 4.1 will arrive... will anyone care?)

2007-04-20 Thread Martin Schulze
Craig Sanders wrote: > i just don't see why people like to fool themselves that they're still > running 'stable' when they install stuff from backports. they're not. Maybe the difference is that the overall system is still stable with all of its benefits, but with only a few packages pulled in fro

Re: Expulsion process: Sven Luther - Decision

2007-03-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Sven Luther wrote: > Taking this to -project, since i am no more a DD. Not sure if all readers here have the original. Sven has not been expulsed and hence is still a DD. Regards, Joey -- Life is a lot easier when you have someone to share it with. -- Sean Perry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Conflicting information on current Debian release

2007-02-02 Thread Martin Schulze
Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 05:10:47PM -0500, Bob Kline wrote: > > The Debian home page (http://www.debian.org/) notes the announcement of > > the "Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0," and the page linked by > > that note says "The Debian project confirms December 2006 a

Re: Debian and software patents (Was: Re: how to donate free program for Debian?)

2007-02-02 Thread Martin Schulze
Daniel Ruoso wrote: > Qua, 2007-01-31 às 09:21 +0100, Martin Schulze escreveu: > > I seem to recall Keving mentioning a "patent minefield", which I would > > interpret not only as an area of computer science in which several > > patents exist but also that they are

Re: how to donate free program for Debian?

2007-01-31 Thread Martin Schulze
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:21:12 -0800, Kevin B McCarty > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > Cognaxon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> we would like to donate our free small program called "WSQ viewer" > >> (for Linux) to be distributed with Debian CD/DVD. Th

Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Mike Hommey wrote: > To be fair, it's not exactly true, because upgrading from firefox to > iceweasel in debian means upgrading from version 1.0 or 1.5 to 2.0, and > there are substancial changes that some people dislike, myself included. > > Which means Piotr is actually probably complaining abou

Re: something related to the soc-ctte

2007-01-27 Thread Martin Schulze
Sune Vuorela wrote: > - I am not a DD, so my opinions don't count FWIW, that's wrong. Your opinions do count. Regards, Joey -- MIME - broken solution for a broken design. -- Ralf Baechle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Conta

Re: Social Committee proposal

2007-01-27 Thread Martin Schulze
Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > > Heavens help us. > > And this is the example of the kind of person working on a > social policy? To be fair, didn't Manoj deny wanting to work on it? Regards, Joey -- MIME - broken solution for a broken design. -- Ralf Baechle --

Re: Closing down obsolete lists

2007-01-21 Thread Martin Schulze
Loïc Minier wrote: > Maybe I'm the only one wondering but: why aren't uploads announced to > the *-changes lists anymore? Because it's -devel-changes? the -changes ones were meant for stable. (these logs may be missing as well, though). Regards, Joey -- The only stupid question is t

Re: Closing down obsolete lists

2007-01-21 Thread Martin Schulze
Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: > Hi, > > as part of the spring cleaning effort of the listmasters, we would like > to close down several unused, obsolete lists. Before doing so we would > like to > > a) give you the chance to veto against it > b) document our reasons and changes publicly > > The fo

Re: Debian Etch Stable.

2006-12-12 Thread Martin Schulze
Anthony Towns wrote: > Personally, I'd say that now would be the time for any anti-payment > people to say "we can do this better, and look, we'll prove it", and make > up their own target date for etch, and demonstrate how much energy and I hereby set December 6th 2007 as release date. With help

Re: Debian Weekly News - November 28th, 2006

2006-12-11 Thread Martin Schulze
Ian Jackson wrote: > Filipus Klutiero writes ("Re: Debian Weekly News - November 28th, 2006"): > > DWN should be NPOV > > What nonsense. Debian is a political organisation, and all of us are > engaged in politics as well as technology. Expecting us to be neutral > is to miss the point completel

Re: Hardware for Debian people

2006-12-09 Thread Martin Schulze
Andreas Schuldei wrote: > * Gustavo Franco ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [061209 01:16]: > > I would be glad to run one of the P4 or P3 to debian-desktop > > development purposes. Unfortunately, i'm in Brazil and a friend of > > mine (OpenBSD developer) had troubles when tried to receive some > > donated har

Re: Proposal: Handling of changelog bug closures in Debian derived distros

2006-11-14 Thread Martin Schulze
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > No, please don't/ It is one thing to patch dpkg to make things > easier for the derivatives (on the other hand, they can patch their > own version of dpkg), it is another to change how uplaods work in > Debian, or to reject uploads to Debian because one forgot a

Re: Position Statement to the Dunc-Tanc "experiment"

2006-10-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Theodore Tso wrote: > Folks who are claiming that they are demotivated because two people > have volunteered to give up a full month of their time to take on a > job where they giving up something like 75% of their normal income --- > and the problem is that they gave up only 75% instead of 100% --

Re: dwn futur (take 2)

2006-10-25 Thread Martin Schulze
Fabrice Lorrain wrote: > Hi Joey (Martin Schulze), > > In [1] you wrote "...Please understand that due to this there may be no > future issues of DWN in the current form or that they will only be > released less frequently." > > As a long time reader of DWN and

Re: DWN

2006-10-18 Thread Martin Schulze
Martin Schulze wrote: > The only two items in the prepared but unreleased issue are from > Sebastian. I just noticed that my memory fooled me. One of these two items was from Thomas Viehmann. Credits where credits are due. Regards, Joey -- Long noun chains don't automati

Re: How could we give away Debian CDs/DVDs for free?

2006-10-18 Thread Martin Schulze
There is an organisation that tries to deliver gratis CDs/DVDs to end uses: http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200609101024 Regards, Joey -- Long noun chains don't automatically imply security. -- Bruce Schneier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsub

Re: DWN

2006-10-16 Thread Martin Schulze
Andreas Barth wrote: > > 3) Possibly get some sort of team together (if there isn't one > > already) to work on reporting regularly. (If such team exists/is > > formed count me in :) > > You're welcome. Such a team exists in parts, as Martin (zobel) and I are > currently responsible, but we defini

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-11 Thread Martin Schulze
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 09:58:45AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > > Huh? I hate to be the one to break it to you, but many things life > > > boil down to a question of time or money. > > > > > &

Re: Proposal: SPI as international money transfer service

2006-10-11 Thread Martin Schulze
Jérôme Marant wrote: > > > >It's also being discussed at the moment if/how money affects developers. > > > > > > > Well, lets make possible for money to come in, in the first place. > > > > In my opinion, money destroys. I believe it's already happening in > > Debian. However, many people don't

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-11 Thread Martin Schulze
lief is that being jealous is wrong. Many people consider feelings/attitude of other people wrong. That doesn't remove their feelings, though. > If you, Martin Schulze, were given financial compensation to work full > time on key Debian taks, and you'd enjoy it, I'd be very happ

Re: Improving the DAM-queue?

2006-10-11 Thread Martin Schulze
Bastian Venthur wrote: > Hi, > > Taking the data available on nm.debian.org, I've noticed that in the > last six months only 28 applicants became Debian Developers. This means > roughly every 6.4 days an applicant gets processed by a DAM. Cool! About 5 new developers per month. That's great! Th

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-11 Thread Martin Schulze
Jérôme Marant wrote: > > > > hard on getting Debian better be funded similarily? I know that > > > > several people have lost their motivation to work on Debian as before > > > > (yes, others will hate me for writing this again) because of this. > > > > Some developers ask themselves already why t

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-11 Thread Martin Schulze
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Huh? I hate to be the one to break it to you, but many things life > boil down to a question of time or money. > > * Do I mow my lawn (time) or hire someone to do it (money)? > * Do I was my car (time) or hire someone to do it (money)? > * Do I program my own OS (time)

Re: Proposal: SPI as international money transfer service

2006-10-11 Thread Martin Schulze
mmlacak wrote: > >It's also being discussed at the moment if/how money affects developers. > > > Well, lets make possible for money to come in, in the first place. In my opinion, money destroys. I believe it's already happening in Debian. However, many people don't seem to care or understand. R

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-11 Thread Martin Schulze
Jérôme Marant wrote: > Le lundi 09 octobre 2006 18:54, Martin Schulze a écrit : > > > hard on getting Debian better be funded similarily? I know that > > several people have lost their motivation to work on Debian as before > > (yes, others will hate me for writing thi

Re: Proposal: SPI as international money transfer service

2006-10-09 Thread Martin Schulze
mmlacak wrote: > So, my question is: can we make SPI ( http://www.spi-inc.org/, > http://www.debian.org/donations ) into monetary service which accepts > from and is able to transfer money to any country in the world? Is able > to deliver money basically from door to door ( post-office/bank t

Re: Using money to fund real Debian work

2006-10-09 Thread Martin Schulze
Raphael Hertzog wrote: > [ Continuing publicly a discussion started in -private, with the agreement > of Pierre ] > > The discussion concerns the use of money as a resource within Debian. > Dunc-Tank's principle is to use the money to pay for real work and not > only for travel expenses and reimbu

Re: Fw: Kurdish Linux debian

2006-09-19 Thread Martin Schulze
Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2006-09-17 21:20:06, schrieb Lior Kaplan: > > > AFAIK. Erdal Ronahi is already did some translations of the debian > > installer to Kurdish [1]. > > "some translations"? - > > This guy is heavy... I read his name and see his > translations over many Mailinglists an

Re: New website layout / design contest?

2006-09-06 Thread Martin Schulze
Christoph Haas wrote: > On Tuesday 05 September 2006 04:16, Matej Cepl wrote: > > Paul Belanger wrote: > > > After all, the point of any distribution is to sell it to a user. > > > > It is not. For example, Debian Developers usually don't care how many > > users is Debian sold to. And that is a goo

Re: Concerns with Open/OS Corporate Linux ads?

2006-08-30 Thread Martin Schulze
Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > also sprach Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.08.29.2310 +0200]: > > >> July 6 - bug goes public through upstream's BTS, Debian bug filed > >> July 21 - fixed in sarge, DSA released > > > I know this is a ridiculous

Re: Rethinking stable updates policy

2006-08-28 Thread Martin Schulze
David Nusinow wrote: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 10:57:45PM +0200, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > > The rough plan is to provide an alternative set of updated kernel packages > > and potentially also xservers (depending on how modular the new X.org > > modulization really is) nine months after Etch rele

Re: Rethinking stable updates policy

2006-08-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > Martin Schulze wrote: > > It would be good, though, especially in order to have some support for > > hardware that has entered the market after the last Debian release, if > > there would be an outside repository for updated kernel and installer &

Re: Rethinking stable updates policy

2006-08-27 Thread Martin Schulze
Martin Schulze wrote: > > Examples of things that should happen in stable, but haven't been > > happening reliably: > > > > * Kernel updates with more broad hardware support > > This requires new kernel packages, new utilities and a new installer. > I

Re: Rethinking stable updates policy

2006-08-26 Thread Martin Schulze
John Goerzen wrote: > But I'm not trying to talk in this thread about how hard or easy it is > technically to build stuff for stable. That level will change over > time. (And if we really find it so much more difficult to build a > kernel for stable than other distros do, we need to examine that

Re: Rethinking stable updates policy

2006-08-26 Thread Martin Schulze
Sven Luther wrote: > > mkinitrd > > mkinitrd is dead :) Whatever... :) > > debhelper > > debhelper ??? Didn't it creep in? Maybe not. > > yard > > yaird is its name. Oh well... > > Just try to get a more recent kernel from backports.org on a sarge > > machine and you'll see. > > Actually

Re: Rethinking stable updates policy

2006-08-26 Thread Martin Schulze
John Goerzen wrote: > On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 08:43:53AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > > John Goerzen wrote: > > > Examples of things that should happen in stable, but haven't been > > > happening reliably: > > > > > > * Kernel updates with more

Re: Rethinking stable updates policy

2006-08-26 Thread Martin Schulze
Marc Haber wrote: > > To start with, [1] says that a package is only uploaded to stable when > > it meets one of these criteria: > > > > * it fixes a truly critical functionality problem > > > > * the package becomes uninstallable > > > > * a released architecture lacks the package > > I wou

Re: Rethinking stable updates policy

2006-08-25 Thread Martin Schulze
John Goerzen wrote: > Hello, > > The Debian stable distribution has been a thorn in our side for a long > time. We tend to go a long time between releases, which means that > stable grows less and less useful as time goes on. We also have a > strict policy on what is allowed into stable. > > Th

Re: Live image: strategic for Debian or not?

2006-08-23 Thread Martin Schulze
Ottavio Caruso wrote: > I'd be glad to have your opinion about the two > following related issues: > > 1) According to the documentation [1]: > "There are no official Debian live CDs available. > However, we would like to recommend Knoppix, which is > based on Debian - a very useful, full-featured

Re: DebianTimes launched

2006-08-04 Thread Martin Schulze
Andreas Barth wrote: > > Hm, ok. I can see your point, but I disagree (but of course, I'm biased). > > > > Anyways, if more DDs feel your way, I will remove DebianTimes. (DWN was > > removed due to flooding planet, not for "it's not a personal blog, btw.) > > After some more of the feedback, I de

Re: Packages awaiting proposed-updates moderation

2006-08-02 Thread Martin Schulze
Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 10:50 +0200, Loïc Minier wrote: > > I don't quite understand the various steps that a package traverses > > when uploaded to SPU. Is some document explaining that? In short, I > > would just like to understand the number of steps, the human-trigge

Uploading to the DELAYED queue

2006-07-31 Thread Martin Schulze
Matthew Palmer wrote: > Can non-DDs upload to the DELAYED queues and get the package through anyway? > I'd hope not, since it'd be a massive hole. So, there's a DD involved / > responsible for the delayed upload in the first place, they should make sure > they can clear it again if necessary. Si

Re: Branding for Debian derivatives

2006-07-29 Thread Martin Schulze
Anthony Towns wrote: > So, following the discussions at DebConf [0], the "Debian Powered" logo > ideas [1], and a couple of other chats I've had the privelege of having > with some folks working on Debian derivatives and Debian-based distros and > similar things, I'd like us to introduce an officia

Re: package ownership in Debian

2006-07-29 Thread Martin Schulze
George Danchev wrote: > On Saturday 29 July 2006 09:48, Martin Schulze wrote: > > Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > > Co-maintainers are much closer to what is being done in a package > > > > than joe-random developer. Also, co-maintainership is far less > > &g

Re: Extremadura Regional Government of Spain will switch to Debian GNU/Linux and ODF on all the computers

2006-07-29 Thread Martin Schulze
Jesus Climent wrote: > On Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 06:52:36PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 29, 2006 at 01:30:21PM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: > > > According to Millan, > > > > You seem to not have introduced Mr. Millan until this point, maybe write > > his full name and position/invol

Re: snapshot.d.net mirror (Re: Branding for Debian derivatives)

2006-07-29 Thread Martin Schulze
Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-07-29 16:59]: > > That would require us to maintain an essentially permanent archive > > for source packages, which at the moment we don't. But doing so > > would be useful for us too, no? > > By the way, can you please authorize

Re: package ownership in Debian

2006-07-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Co-maintainers are much closer to what is being done in a package > > than joe-random developer. Also, co-maintainership is far less > > prone to fire-and-forget uploads that hose things, and are nicer to > > people who feel very strongly about their packages. > >

Re: Call for a new DPL mediation ... This will be the only thread i will reply to in the next time about this issue.

2006-06-20 Thread Martin Schulze
Benjamin Seidenberg wrote: > AIUI (please, correct me if I am wrong) the D-I repository is hosted on > svn.d.o, a machine belonging to the debian project. I don't see why the > DPL would have authority over the mailing lists (hosted on a debian > machine and maintained by the list admins) but not t

Re: debian and UDEV

2006-05-15 Thread Martin Schulze
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > The most hideous problem of hotplug/udev is the following: > > You can't wait for an hotplug/udev event to be done processing. That > is always done asynchron without any feedback of completion. > > > Consequently any module loading has to randomly wait a while till

Re: wiki.debian.org: Who's maintaining it

2006-05-07 Thread Martin Schulze
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > As the python moin wiki maintainer I welcome this coordinated effort. > > > > I myself have failed locating the admins of the Debian wiki[1], so is > > happy for this clarification :-) > > Would it be possible to have the moinmoin version on wiki.debian.org > upgrade

Re: irc.debian.org

2006-04-30 Thread Martin Schulze
Steve McIntyre wrote: > I've heard it suggested by a variety of people that we should move the > official irc.debian.org alias away from freenode to oftc. I can see > that more and more of my own Debian IRC discussions are on oftc, to > the extent that I'm (currently) not on any freenode channels a

Re: Reforming the NM process

2006-04-25 Thread Martin Schulze
Panu Kalliokoski wrote: > I hoped the proposal I was making would allow us to eat the cake and > keep it too: offer an open upload area but keep the main archive under > strict quality criteria. I expect it to be easier to check package > quality, too, if they're being autobuilt and available for

Re: wiki.debian.org: Who's maintaining it

2006-04-21 Thread Martin Schulze
MJ Ray wrote: > Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Technically the wiki is operated by debian-admin. For serious problems, > > please drop debian-admin a note. Patches in coordination with the python > > moin wiki maintainer are welcome. Patches that will be

Re: wiki.debian.org: Who's maintaining it

2006-04-19 Thread Martin Schulze
Frans Pop wrote: > The debian-www list regularly sees bug reports [1] and mails about the > wiki, which no-one really takes responsibility for as debian-www is about > www.d.o and not wiki.d.o and in general different people are involved. Technically the wiki is operated by debian-admin. For se

Re: Setting up i18n.debian.org?

2006-03-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > Ubuntus' Rosetta is non-free but perhaps this might be a promising > replacement. If we set up something like this as a central place for > translations, it might be very useful for people who wish to contribute to > the i18n of Debian. What do you think? Please set i

Re: LinuxFund

2006-03-13 Thread Martin Schulze
Matyas Sustik wrote: > Hi All, > > My LinuxFund card is up for renewal. Debian is listed as one of the > projects that LinuxFund supports. I would like to get some info from > Debian whether they are happy with their relationship with LinuxFund. > (A note on the Debian website would be usefu

Re: uol.com.br and petsupermarket

2006-03-13 Thread Martin Schulze
Gustavo Franco wrote: > > I am still receiving those obnoxious messages in response to my posts to > > debian-user. > > > > I see, and it's just other reason that this unsubscribe thing not > worked as the listmasters > thought. I would like to suggest that they unsubscribe the original > email ad

Re: PR work

2006-03-13 Thread Martin Schulze
Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > Alexander Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > * Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060308 09:09]: > >> I know that some non-Debian people actually ask questions like "I > >> heard Debian has split and is dead, what will happen in the future?" > >> From t

Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries

2006-03-01 Thread Martin Schulze
Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > * Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-02-27 14:52:16]: > >> * Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-12-08 21:08]: > >>> Intel is so generous to provide Debian with ten notebooks (besides > >>> some server h

Re: Poll: how should Debian derivatives identify their packages?

2006-01-26 Thread Martin Schulze
Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: > On 01/26/2006 07:43 AM, Sune Vuorela wrote: > > On 2006-01-26, Jeroen van Wolffelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>The poll can only be submitted by DD's, and results will be non-anonymous > >>and > >>published immediately. > > > > Shouldn't non-DD-

Re: Linux Forums

2006-01-22 Thread Martin Schulze
Andreas Schuldei wrote: > what about maintaining a list of debian forums on the debian > website I believe they are mentioned on the web pages already. > the differnet languages could point to debianforum.de, At least I remember having seen a link to this on the German/ international pages. Reg

Re: Linux Forums

2006-01-22 Thread Martin Schulze
Brett Parker wrote: > Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mark Daher wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > My name is Mark Daher, owner of LinuxForums.org , I would like to make > > > my site the official forums of the Debian since there

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