Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Of course, many upstreams will not accept this, as it breaks their
> workflow and might just feel outside influence from people they don't
> care too much about (and I'm not meaning the Linux desktops, as they
> obviously care about Linux distributions, but mainly OS-agnostic
>
Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Raphael Geissert (05/08/2009):
>
>> Like some people said during Debconf: "freezing in December" doesn't
>> necessarily mean freezing the first day or even the first week of
>> December; the 31 is still December, which means there are 30 days to
>> decide many things, i
Jan Hauke Rahm wrote:
> I understand you've been talking to other distributions as well about
> syncing releases (or freezes) in order to ship same versions of major
> system components. Now, much of the discussion here is about the actual
> dates, i.e. the possible freeze in a few month as well as
Noah Meyerhans wrote:
>> I think it's reasonable to believe it would be easier to get [upstream]
>> attention about a version that *many* distributions adopted.
>>
>
> Additionally, even if upstream isn't willing to provide any help to
> distros shipping what they consider to be a "stale" vers
Marc Haber wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 08:44:29PM +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
>
>> My expectation is that Debian will want to have more flexibility in how
>> long the release is baked than Ubuntu would normally give itself. My
>> hope is that we can agree on
Marc Haber wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 09:32:36PM +0200, Jesús M. Navarro wrote:
>
>> In other words: freeze on december the first doesn't mean that if, say,
>> Gnome
>> will publish it's new shiny 1.2 version by december the 15, the last beta
>> should have to be included, but t
Julien BLACHE wrote:
> You are on a fight against proprietary software (you made that clear
> through your wording in your first mail). One of the issues with
> proprietary platforms is that everyone running a given platform runs
> the same security holes.
>
> Now, that obviously applies equally if
Hi Marga
Margarita Manterola wrote:
> If Debian commits to a December freeze, would that mean that Ubuntu
> commits to releasing 10.04 with KDE 4.3 (already released) and GNOME
> 2.28 (to be released in a few months), instead of KDE 4.4 (to be
> released in January) and GNOME 2.30 (to be released
Steffen Moeller wrote:
> the independence is not necessarily planned. To my perception it is more of a
> "I am using
> my current distro which I know well and quickly (or less quickly) and
> incrementally
> improving a package of my interest as good as I can" without looking much
> left, right o
Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>
>
>> I also think that we should be looking at when we freeze not
>> merely at when a derived distro freezes, but when major system
>> components release, and when top level sister distributions freeze
>> (we'll get far more benefit for
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 03 2009, Russ Allbery wrote:
>
>
>> Michael Banck writes:
>>
>>
>>> The other concern I have is lengthening our release cycle to 2 years - I
>>> think this is quite a bit too long, I am very happy with the current
>>> (rather informel) 1,5 years which
Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 10:29:11AM +0100, Steve Langasek wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry that you have a negative impression of Ubuntu's relationship
>> with Debian, but there's plenty of data available that contradicts
>> your conclusion (including BTS reports that have been post
Werner Baumann wrote:
> The two models as I can see them from the discussion so far:
>
> Model 1:
> Debian freezes in December
> Debian developers concentrate on fixing RC bugs
> Ubuntu developers concentrate on including newer versions of major
> software packages
> When the number of RC bugs in D
Hi Marc
Marc Haber wrote:
> this is kind of a personal reply; I am therefore writing this to you
> directly and only Cc'ing debian-project, and I do not know whether you
> read that mailing list.
>
> On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 10:21:38AM +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
>
Julien BLACHE wrote:
>> Debian stands out in many respects, yes. But being different for the
>> sake of it isn't a laudable goal: if there's a good idea, it deserves to
>> be considered, even if others are already considering it.
>>
>
> Being different and independent actually enables us to be
Julien BLACHE wrote:
> [Cc:ed as I don't know whether you're subscribed to -project]
>
I am subscribed, yes, but thanks for the cc.
> From the very start of the Debian Project, Debian has been different
> from everything else: different package management tools, different
> philosophy, differen
Hi folks
I've stayed quiet in this discussion, though several folks have invoked
my name and ascribed motivations to me that were a little upsetting. I'm
not responding to that here, instead I'd like to focus on what we can
achieve together, and how we can lead a very significant improvement in
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