Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

2013-06-18 Thread Manu Sporny
ons, SPI, etc. The discussion between Nikolaus Rath and Russ Allbery seemed to indicate that this approach would work for the Debian Developer community. Many thanks to Nikolaus for asking the right set of questions. :) Does this sound like a workable solution? -- manu -- Manu Sporny (skype: m

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

2013-06-16 Thread Manu Sporny
d, the money goes to the Debian Project. This way, none of the concerns about Debian package maintainers being influenced by money comes into the picture. -- manu -- Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Manu Sporny) Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. blog: Meritora - Web pa

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

2013-06-16 Thread Manu Sporny
y up to the upstream authors, and if they don't specify who it should go to, the donation goes to the Debian project? -- manu -- Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Manu Sporny) Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. blog: Meritora - Web payments commercial launch http://b

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-16 Thread Manu Sporny
On 06/16/2013 04:47 AM, Philip Hands wrote: > Manu Sporny writes: ... >> With respect to Debian-packaged software, if we address both >> issues, the benefit is that more resources can be directed toward >> Free Software development. > > It is bound to direct money

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

2013-06-16 Thread Manu Sporny
On 06/16/2013 04:16 AM, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Sonntag, 16. Juni 2013, Manu Sporny wrote: >> Thanks to everyone that has participated in the discussion thus >> far. :) I think there have been a number of solid concerns and >> issues raised, which I'm going to tr

PaySwarm-based Debian donations (was: Re: KickStarter for Debian packages)

2013-06-15 Thread Manu Sporny
iners having a variety of differing opinions on how we should handle donations. After reading through the proposal above, are there any issues or concerns that remain as a high to moderate risk? -- manu -- Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Manu Sporny) Founder/CEO - Digit

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-15 Thread Manu Sporny
model is similar to KickStarter's all-or-nothing model. However, that model is a bit constrained by the credit card and banking system (holds are put on the funds in certain instances), which PaySwarm is not constrained by. -- manu -- Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Ma

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-15 Thread Manu Sporny
/wiki.debian.org/UpstreamGuide), so that the packaging work > (and therefore the need for support) is reduced thanks to Upstream > standardising his work. Got it, I'm working on a proposal now that might work. Your input was very helpful as it helps flesh out some of the bounty/crowd

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-15 Thread Manu Sporny
e there is a difference > between claiming that I am the one who should get the money if you > like the package and being up for hire if you need something to like > it (even more) So is it fair to say that you'd like to be able to do the following: 1. List the Debian Project as t

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-15 Thread Manu Sporny
> I really thought Gunnar nailed it: > >> We have never needed it What do you think about the counter-argument to that statement posed by Martin Owens? http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2013/06/msg00031.html -- manu -- Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Manu Sp

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-15 Thread Manu Sporny
On 06/14/2013 05:24 PM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 05:14:27PM -0400, Manu Sporny wrote: >> I agree, which is why the payment details live completely outside >> the Debian systems. The only thing you'd need to initiate payment >> is an e-mail addres

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-15 Thread Manu Sporny
s that you're having with the system would be very helpful for companies (like ours and the ones we sub-contract from) that build products on top of Debian. There is already a fantastic amount of money that is involved in the development of Debian, it's just hidden. -- manu -- Manu

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Manu Sporny
On 06/14/2013 09:52 AM, David Kalnischkies wrote: > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Manu Sporny > wrote: >> A deeper discussion of the social concerns and solutions with >> >> http://lists.debian.org/deity/2013/06/msg00054.html > > I thought this was pretty

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Manu Sporny
ution for that. You can see how JSON-LD is used for the PaySwarm financial protocol and digital receipts here: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2013/04/payswarm-part-2/ https://hacks.mozilla.org/2013/04/web-payments-with-payswarm-purchasing-part-3-of-3/ -- manu -- Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Manu Sporny
ant any donations can pass it on to the Debian Project, or reject all donations outright. We can also build this system such that those that would like donations can state exactly how they want the donation to be split up among the project participants. This approach ends up being fair to both sides and

Re: KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-14 Thread Manu Sporny
ms (under-staffing, interface design, testing, infrastructure, etc.). I've been using Debian since the late 1990s. I love this project. I'm primarily interested in trying to build the core donations infrastructure in a way that is going to truly help the Debian community. -- manu

KickStarter for Debian packages - crowdfunding/donations for development

2013-06-13 Thread Manu Sporny
ger Debian community. My name is [2]Manu Sporny and I'm the current chair of the Web Payments group at the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C). I'm also the project leader for the [3]PaySwarm project, which is an initiative to create a universal payment standard for the Web. We're also