Re: [PROPOSAL] Full text of GPL must be included

2000-11-30 Thread Brian Mays
> This is not true. There are other parts you must not modify, like the > Copyright notice itself and author information. Also read clause 2.c) > in the GPL. I stand corrected. One minor point: you can modify the copyright notice and author information, if only to add yourself to the list so as t

Re: [PROPOSAL] Full text of GPL must be included

2000-11-30 Thread Brian Mays
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rando Christensen) writes: > Okay, so what's the problem with all gpl'd packages Depending on a > package called 'license-gpl' ? Nothing is wrong with this idea, except that it is unnecessary. All packages implicitly depend on the "Essential" packages, and the GPL is located i

Re: [PROPOSAL] Full text of GPL must be included

2000-11-30 Thread Brian Mays
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nils Lohner) writes: > ps. what license is the GPL itself under? :) You can copy it, distribute it, you can even sell it, but you cannot change it. Funny, isn't it: the GPL is the only part of a GPLed project that you are *not* allowed to modify. - Brian

Re: [PROPOSAL] Full text of GPL must be included

2000-11-29 Thread Brian Mays
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > However, if I compile the selfsame GPL'd debian package for use on a > non-Debian system, then it is my responsibility to ensure a copy of > the GPL of whichever version is cited, travels along with the package > to the destination. Note that if you are recompiling the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Full text of GPL must be included

2000-11-29 Thread Brian Mays
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: > So I'm pretty sure, despite my immediately previous messages, that we > must distribute the GPL in the actual .deb of the relevant package. > However, nothing compels us to *install* that in any way. Then what is the point? Why even bother to in

Re: [PROPOSAL] Full text of GPL must be included

2000-11-29 Thread Brian Mays
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: > I think it would be clearer, and not *that* much of a problem, if we > added a dependency on base-files. Note that "base-files" is an essential package, which means that either: (1) the user is running Debian, which means that this package is al

Re: [PROPOSAL] Full text of GPL must be included

2000-11-29 Thread Brian Mays
Brian Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We distribute Debian in its entirety. Brian Frederick Kimball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No you don't. :) Well ... aside from occasional server down time, I think that we do indeed distribute ALL of the Debian distributio

Re: [PROPOSAL] Full text of GPL must be included

2000-11-29 Thread Brian Mays
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Surchi) writes: > I'm wondering about the meaning of "distribution". *Our* distribution > is the whole distro or a single package? What do we distribute? And > if we distribute a single package too, can we distribute GPL text in > the same place (more or less) and in t

Re: Fear the new maintainer process

2000-07-26 Thread Brian Mays
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) wrote: > In my case, nobody ever informed me that a three-week deadline, or > whatever it is, existed. Well, that is something that should be corrected. The applicants need to know the timeline established for the procedure. It's only fair. > I was utt

Re: An amendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-07-26 Thread Brian Mays
> Brian Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Surely you do not believe this, do you? There will ALWAYS be useful > > software (at least, useful to someone) with licenses that fail our > > somewhat arbitrary criteria for what we consider to be free. Thomas Bush

Re: Fear the new maintainer process

2000-07-26 Thread Brian Mays
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marcus Brinkmann) wrote: > We should just not actively throw [applicants] out if the reply takes > long. The process should allow for random delays on both sides, > otherwise there is something wrong. I don't see anything wrong with a reasonable deadline. The applicant can a

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-16 Thread Brian Mays
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) wrote: > So if you're certain not to agree, then don't keep posting the same > thing over and over again. Not everyone is thick headed and unwilling > to hear or consider other positions. If there are people for whom > absolutely no argument or evidence

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-16 Thread Brian Mays
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Goerzen) wrote: > For the sake of the argument, I'll accept in this case your premise > that non-free software helps users get their work done. Even if I > assume that, let us ask this: why does this non-free software have to > be distributed by Debian? Well, it doesn't,

Re: An amendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-16 Thread Brian Mays
t; its utility that we are not permitted to distribute it, or can't be > > bothered to.) Brian Mays (that's me) added: > Surely you do not believe this, do you? There will ALWAYS be useful > software (at least, useful to someone) with licenses that fail our > somewhat arbitrar

Re: An amendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-16 Thread Brian Mays
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Branden Robinson) wrote: > What do we do in a hypothetical future where non-free software no > longer exists for general purpose applications? (I.e., the only > remaining non-free software is so proprietary -- or so marginal in > its utility that we are not permitted to distri

Re: Debian is about providing the best free operating system

2000-06-12 Thread Brian Mays
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 12:33:30AM -0400, Brian Mays wrote: > > Consider this: we all agree that Debian has the purpose of promoting > > free software; however, our purpose also is to build a quality > > non-commercial distribution of Linux (and now Hurd, as the projec

Re: Debian is about providing the best free operating system

2000-06-12 Thread Brian Mays
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Taketoshi Sano) writes: > The cutting of the non-free area will hide the problem, and it > contradicts the spirit of the creation ("it will at least attract > enough attention to the problems") and our Social Contract, which says > "We Won't Hide the Problem". Well, it certain

Re: why not replace individual programs?

2000-06-12 Thread Brian Mays
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pablo Baena) writes: x > I'm not hardly following the thread, somebody probably already > mentioned this, anyway: stop trying to find replaces for propietary > software as a reason for not supporting it. I would like to end one fallacy now: Debian's definition of "non-f

Re: Data does NOT belong in Debian (was: Stop Archive bloat)

1999-10-19 Thread Brian Mays
On 19 Oct 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark W. Eichin) wrote: > Ports has probably advanced, you'd really want * set of mirrors > (multiple or pattern URLs) * md5sum for exact match, but > easy-to-upgrade option The FreeBSD users that I know like the ports system very much. It's pretty slick. > The

Suggestion for data packages

1999-10-19 Thread Brian Mays
Since we are discussing how to handle data, including many documents. Why not use something similar to FreeBSD's ports? That is, we provide a utility that will download the data from its source (using a link that we provide to an ftp archive somewhere), check its md5sum, extract the data, and

Re: Stop archive bloat: 47MB gmt-coast-full_19991001-1.deb

1999-10-18 Thread Brian Mays
> "Philippe" == Philippe Troin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Philippe> I'm just asking for some common sense. This package has 3 Philippe> different levels of details for the world coastline (low, Philippe> high and full). Are they really needed ? Can't just a low Philippe> can p