Re: The Ineffectual DPL?

2004-04-08 Thread Ben Burton
> If you agree with this as I do, then a simple "I agree" will suffice, sent > in public reply. Then, start doing real work. > > If you don't agree, then by all means, waste your's and everyone else's > time, by actually attempting to discuss and disect this email. But those > who really care a

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-06 Thread Ben Burton
> "We can't be sure whether this orange-haired person likes to eat > babies or not. He probably does, lock him up". > > If I have to make a guess then I do, but I don't pretend it's anything > more than a (possibly educated) guess. If you want to promote some > action based on your guess - go ahe

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-05 Thread Ben Burton
> We should change > the environment because it is bad, not because "it's bad to women". The question to which Helen was initially responding was not "why should we change the environment?". It was "why are there so few women in debian?". If there are grander reasons for changing the environmen

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-05 Thread Ben Burton
> There is a chronic systemic harrassment in Debian, but I have not seen > women get more of it. I know I've said this some number of times already, but I'll say it again in just four lines so it's that much harder to miss. The problem Helen refers to in the most part is not *overt* sexism. The

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-05 Thread Ben Burton
> I don't think she's flaky or mentally unstable. I think she > approached a concrete group of people by assuming they would fit a > stereotype she had in mind, and that's a bad thing to do. Please. Her comments are centred around two premises: 1) That debian contains bullying or aggressive el

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-04 Thread Ben Burton
> Helen said "women are likely to be not so confident that their skills > will allow them to survive in an environment like debian, compared to > their male counterparts". And then, her explanation of what that > "environment" amounted to, was that it was bullying and condescending > to women.

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-03 Thread Ben Burton
> I don't honestly give a rats ass about what sexuality a person is, but I get > seriously pissed off when the 'We're a minority, we're special' card gets > pulled. Whilst I see what you're saying, I fail to see how my post could possibly be read as pulling the minority card. The quote I gave wa

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-03 Thread Ben Burton
> Honestly out of all the flame wars we've had > can you think of any where being a yucky girl was an issue? I suspect you've missed the point somewhat. AIUI she does not fear that people will bully her because she's female. She simply fears that people will bully her (as they bully others, mal

Re: Just a single Question for the Candidates

2004-03-03 Thread Ben Burton
> The problem is you are a flake. $ dict flake ... 4. a person who behaves strangely; a flaky[2] person. [Colloq.] [PJC] ... 2: a person with an unusual or odd personality [syn: {eccentric}, {eccentric person}, {oddball}, {geek}] ... Your yourself say you noti