On Fri, 2022-09-16 at 10:13 -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> Most people running interactive VMs (e.g., on a desktop with a
> graphical console) aren't using Xen, they're using kvm or virtualbox
> or just about anything else.
While the number is probably less, some people (including Debian
contribut
On Fri, 2022-09-16 at 20:58 +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote:
>
> Am 16.09.2022 um 15:36 schrieb Andrey Rahmatullin:
> > On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 08:56:12AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > > > Russ does have point though in that if you don't like something in
> > > > Debian, there are really only tw
On Fri, 2022-09-16 at 22:41 +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote:
> To the best of my knowledge, there is still a port alive of
> Debian for ia64 architecture[1,2], but support is not official
> in the sense of a "Release architecture"[3,4] for contemporary
> Debian version 11 bullseye.
Due to the Itaniu
On 9/16/22 1:53 PM, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > "Chuck" == Chuck Zmudzinski writes:
>
> Chuck> Debian processes: AFAIK there is no process for a user to
> Chuck> resort to when an important bug has been ignored for over a
> Chuck> year except to make some noise on mailing lists like
>
On 2022-09-16 at 16:03, Diederik de Haas wrote:
> On Friday, 16 September 2022 20:41:33 CEST Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=983357#97
I don't think I can sign-off on a patch written by Ben
Hutchings.
>
> You shouldn't use a Signed-O
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 12:26:02PM -0400, Jesse Dougherty wrote:
> Hi, I'm Jesse.. I work for a company that sells HP hardware. We sell HP
> Itanium servers. I have a user that wants to buy a few servers and have
> Debian loaded on them.
It's... let's say unexpected.
> Can you tell me what version
Hi, I'm Jesse.. I work for a company that sells HP hardware. We sell HP
Itanium servers. I have a user that wants to buy a few servers and have
Debian loaded on them. Can you tell me what versions of Debian are
supported on ia64 / HP Itanium server platforms?
Thanks
Jesse
Cypress Technology In
On Friday, 16 September 2022 20:41:33 CEST Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > > The patch is written by Ben Hutchings, a kernel developer.
Anyone can send a patch for inclusion in the upstream kernel:
https://lore.kernel.org/all/20220629224938.7760-1-didi.deb...@cknow.org/
IOW: you don't need to have so
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 01:54:09PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
On 9/16/22 10:13 AM, Michael Stone wrote:
You have now sent a message about a particular udev issue to debian-user
and I replied with one immediate thought. Some more thoughts: you're
using a fairly obscure configuration.
I thou
On 9/16/22 2:10 PM, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> On 9/16/22 2:00 PM, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > On 9/16/22 1:27 PM, Diederik de Haas wrote:
> > > On Friday, 16 September 2022 16:37:50 CEST Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > > > the Linux kernel accept a patch to fix Debian #983357
> > >
> > > Has the patch
On 9/16/22 9:40 AM, Tobias Frost wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 08:47:19AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > On 9/16/22 12:12 AM, Nilesh Patra wrote:
> > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 06:17:02PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > > > To put it in the most brief terms, I come to that conclusion based
On 9/16/22 9:42 AM, Nilesh Patra wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 08:47:19AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > On 9/16/22 12:12 AM, Nilesh Patra wrote:
> > > Well, sometimes bugs do sit around for a bit, yes; but you are presenting
> > > it in
> > > a much way that it makes the situation look wor
> "Chuck" == Chuck Zmudzinski writes:
Chuck> Debian processes: AFAIK there is no process for a user to
Chuck> resort to when an important bug has been ignored for over a
Chuck> year except to make some noise on mailing lists like
Chuck> debian-user and debian-project. What wou
On 9/16/22 10:13 AM, Michael Stone wrote:
> You have now sent a message about a particular udev issue to debian-user
> and I replied with one immediate thought. Some more thoughts: you're
> using a fairly obscure configuration.
I thought Debian was free and I can use it that way if I want
to, a
On 9/16/22 1:27 PM, Diederik de Haas wrote:
> On Friday, 16 September 2022 16:37:50 CEST Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > the Linux kernel accept a patch to fix Debian #983357
>
> Has the patch every been proposed to upstream?
The patch is written by Ben Hutchings, a kernel developer.
https://bugs.deb
On 9/16/22 2:00 PM, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> On 9/16/22 1:27 PM, Diederik de Haas wrote:
> > On Friday, 16 September 2022 16:37:50 CEST Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > > the Linux kernel accept a patch to fix Debian #983357
> >
> > Has the patch every been proposed to upstream?
>
> The patch is writte
Am 16.09.2022 um 15:36 schrieb Andrey Rahmatullin:
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 08:56:12AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
Russ does have point though in that if you don't like something in
Debian, there are really only two things you can do to fix that
situation for yourself:
- Get involved as a c
On Friday, 16 September 2022 16:37:50 CEST Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> the Linux kernel accept a patch to fix Debian #983357
Has the patch every been proposed to upstream?
If not, then send one with 'git send-email' to the ones listed for the file in
question, which can be obtained via 'get_maintai
"G. Branden Robinson" writes:
> That said, such people define "constructively" in an odd way, as can be
> seen above; they assert that the only way they experience respect is to
> be _obeyed_. They claim that they are treated as second-class citizens
> because they are not deferred to like monar
On 9/16/22 11:57 AM, G. Branden Robinson wrote:
> At 2022-09-16T19:12:40+0530, Nilesh Patra wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 08:47:19AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > > That's easy to explain why your bugs are fixed quickly. You are a
> > > DD, so your bugs are important. I am not a DD so my
At 2022-09-16T19:12:40+0530, Nilesh Patra wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 08:47:19AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > That's easy to explain why your bugs are fixed quickly. You are a
> > DD, so your bugs are important. I am not a DD so my bugs are not as
> > important to the maintainers who hav
On 9/16/22 9:23 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 08:47:19AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > On 9/16/22 12:12 AM, Nilesh Patra wrote:
> >>
> > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 06:17:02PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > bugs are important. I am not a DD so my bugs are not as impo
On 9/16/22 9:23 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 08:47:19AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > On 9/16/22 12:12 AM, Nilesh Patra wrote:
> >>
> > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 06:17:02PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > bugs are important. I am not a DD so my bugs are not as impo
On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 06:37:03AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
The difficult cost of trying to have a voice as a Debian user is *not* the
commitment, it
is enduring the ad hominem attacks when I express my opinion. Of course if I
cannot
overcome the stigma of the ad hominem attacks, my voice
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 08:47:19AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> On 9/16/22 12:12 AM, Nilesh Patra wrote:
> > Well, sometimes bugs do sit around for a bit, yes; but you are presenting
> > it in
> > a much way that it makes the situation look worse than it actually is.
> > The resolution is quic
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 08:47:19AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> On 9/16/22 12:12 AM, Nilesh Patra wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 06:17:02PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > > To put it in the most brief terms, I come to that conclusion based on what
> > > many people are telling me: Debia
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 08:56:12AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > Russ does have point though in that if you don't like something in
> > Debian, there are really only two things you can do to fix that
> > situation for yourself:
> >
> > - Get involved as a contributor, and help out fixing the p
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 08:47:19AM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> On 9/16/22 12:12 AM, Nilesh Patra wrote:
>>
> > On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 06:17:02PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> bugs are important. I am not a DD so my bugs are not as important to the
> maintainers who have a greater responsib
On 9/16/22 6:01 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 09:51:03PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > On 9/15/22 8:33 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > > Or maybe the problem is that you want to be able to tell people what to
> > > do, but you don't want to have to pay them? If so, uh, good
On 9/15/22 10:23 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Chuck Zmudzinski writes:
>
> > I am sorry you misunderstand me. Please stop putting words in my
> > mouth. Let me speak for myself. I don't need you to tell me what I think
> > about Debian. I know what I think about Debian. You obviously do not.
>
> You
On 9/16/22 12:12 AM, Nilesh Patra wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 06:17:02PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> > To put it in the most brief terms, I come to that conclusion based on what
> > many people are telling me: Debian maintainers cannot fix bugs in software
> > because they are just volunt
On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 09:51:03PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote:
> On 9/15/22 8:33 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > Or maybe the problem is that you want to be able to tell people what to
> > do, but you don't want to have to pay them? If so, uh, good luck with
> > that!
> >
>
> I am sorry you misund
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