Re: Tone policing by a member of the community team [Was, Re: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board]

2021-04-10 Thread gregor herrmann
On Sun, 11 Apr 2021 01:28:45 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > On Wed, 2021-04-07 at 21:38 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > I wonder, though -- do we have a Nazi anywhere in the project? Could you > > point to one? > Although I really prefer not to have them in the project, its is not the > Debian pro

Re: Tone policing by a member of the community team [Was, Re: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board]

2021-04-10 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On Wed, 2021-04-07 at 21:38 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > I wonder, though -- do we have a Nazi anywhere in the project? Could you > point to one? Although I really prefer not to have them in the project, its is not the Debian project's task to rule about political believs, opinions, religion

Expectation of constructive interaction

2021-04-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Dear fellow Debian community members, We have been having two weeks of difficult and heated discussion. The level of conflict has escalated out of proportion, both within the project and outside. We remind everyone that you are expected to interact constructively with our community. That goe

Re: Debian should not engage in politics and stay neutral [was: This is not the direction that will lead to hearing each other]

2021-04-10 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 4/9/21 11:48 PM, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 02:11:11PM -0400, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote: >> [...] > > [...] > > cu > Adrian I was about to reply, but Adrian and Iustin more or less wrote what I would have (and I don't want to repeat in a different manner). On 4/10/21 12:02

Re: Abusive language on Debian lists

2021-04-10 Thread Miles Fidelman
Eldon Koyle wrote: I have noticed a pattern on Debian lists where we see: 1) a polarizing issue is brought up on the list 1a) (optional) there is some discussion with a few interesting points 2) people start arguing (useful debate has ended) 3) people start using offensive languag

Re: Abusive language on Debian lists

2021-04-10 Thread tomas
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 06:22:57PM -0600, Eldon Koyle wrote: > I have noticed a pattern on Debian lists where we see: [...] > I would like to propose that we shorten this cycle by simply adding a rule > to bounce messages to public lists at #3 [...] The problem with this is... who is going to do

Re: Debian should not engage in politics and stay neutral [was: This is not the direction that will lead to hearing each other]

2021-04-10 Thread tomas
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 03:14:56PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > We just had a week of this on debian-vote. Can we please not have another > week of it on debian-project? [...] Thanks, Russ. A couple of folks shouting their strong opinions and not listening isn't going anywhere constructive. Ch