On 2/20/20 8:30 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> For the record; I have _absolutely no doubt_ that Sam is working to benefit
> Debian. But in that particular instance, I happen to strongly disagree that
> his actions have a positive effect on Debian (the community).
+1
Regards,
Daniel
Le jeudi, 20 février 2020, 01.14:19 h CET Anthony DeRobertis a écrit :
> On 2/19/20 2:00 PM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> > At the risk of poking a little fun at recent US politics: this _really
> > really_ reads as a /quid pro quo/.
>
> Not really; a quid pro quo there means more than the litera
(Re-reading your statement).
Le mercredi, 19 février 2020, 16.17:00 h CET Sam Hartman a écrit :
> Debian is Asked to Support a Protest of a Debian Activity
> =
>
> The Montreal organizers could have simply organized an alternative for
> thos
On 19/02/20 at 23:17 -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Hello Lucas,
>
> Lucas Nussbaum dijo [Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 11:45:43AM +0100]:
> > > Most probably, the results will be announced by mail (and not
> > > communicated during a meeting), because the bid review process has led
> > > us to need to decide
Holger Levsen dijo [Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 11:02:06PM +]:
> (...)
> > Agreed to those (as I also said at the time). I think it was obvious to
> > us early on in the DC20 decision process that we'd want to do this
> > privately. We should have announced that.
>
> absolutly. I still dont think it
Hello Lucas,
Lucas Nussbaum dijo [Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 11:45:43AM +0100]:
> > Most probably, the results will be announced by mail (and not
> > communicated during a meeting), because the bid review process has led
> > us to need to decide in this way. I cannot speak for the previously
> > appoint
On 2/19/20 2:00 PM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
At the risk of poking a little fun at recent US politics: this _really really_
reads as a /quid pro quo/.
Not really; a quid pro quo there means more than the literal "something
for something". Otherwise going to the grocery store and buying an a
On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 08:10:42PM +, Stefano Rivera wrote:
> Hi Jonathan (2020.02.18_16:29:34_+)
> > I haven't publicly said this before, but I believe it was a big mistake:
> > * Not having a bid committee for that vote
> I don't know how necessary a bid committee has been, since the cha
Thank you.Sent from my Sprint Phone.
Hi Jonathan (2020.02.18_16:29:34_+)
> I haven't publicly said this before, but I believe it was a big mistake:
>
> * Not having a bid committee for that vote
I don't know how necessary a bid committee has been, since the change
from DebConf chairs to the DebConf Committee. This is a big enou
People tried to hush up the outreachy issue but it is now time before Debian
wastes more money in another foolish round.
We have a woman in Outreachy who already did a lot for Debian, doing the Debian
booth at FOSDEM 2018, organising a miniDebConf in Tirana 2018 and organizing
Balkans biggest e
Hi,
On 19/02/2020 12:17, Sam Hartman wrote:
First, please acknowledge that the combination of your political
announcement and asking for Debian support creates a negative perception
that might tend to undermine Debian's support for its volunteers. That
may not be what you intend, but it is a c
Le mercredi, 19 février 2020, 20.04:12 h CET Sam Hartman a écrit :
> Then we miss an opportunity for the Montreal organizers to clearly and
> unambiguously say to the world and Debian their fight is with the
> government of Israel not with the DC20 volunteers.
They never said otherwise. They neve
On 2020/02/19 21:04, Sam Hartman wrote:
> Then we miss an opportunity for the Montreal organizers to clearly and
> unambiguously say to the world and Debian their fight is with the
> government of Israel not with the DC20 volunteers.
> I end up more disappointed in the world.
> Others in the projec
On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 07:04:01PM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> this. freaking unbelievable.
so if we decided in that GR to go full blown for systemd, would it be good to
spend Debian ressources on an event working on other init systems? absolutly,
i'd say. or, when some cpu architecture gets va
> "Didier" == Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes:
still saying "one way is to withdraw your budget
Didier> request (…); if that is not your choice, I _ask_ you to find
Didier> some other way". So what happens if they put your request to
Didier> /dev/null, if you're not withdrawing the D
On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 08:00:07PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> I'm really disappointed and sad that you found no other way to support both
> the DebConf20 _and_ the Montreal miniDebConf teams other than asking the
> latter explicitly to do without Debian's logistical support.
this. frea
I have taken my frustration to Sam, and he clarified one thing:
Le mercredi, 19 février 2020, 16.17:00 h CET Sam Hartman a écrit :
> So, I'm going to approve the budget with one change requested by the
> DebConf committee. But see below.
I (now) understand this to mean "both the budget and the u
On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 09:51:13 +0100, Ulrike Uhlig wrote:
> Is the decision making process clearly documented somewhere?
I don't think so …
> Is the decision making body documented somewhere, i.e. ewhere can I find
> out who is part of the committee? And how can people join this body?
The DebConf
Sam Hartman writes:
> I think the easiest way for you to do that is to withdraw your budget
> request and for you to do the conference logistics on your own. In
> effect, accept the idea that putting this too close to Debian puts the
> project in an awkward position and remove that. If we forc
TL;DR: Between the pro-boycott language in the Montreal announcement and
the request for a Debian approved budget and logistical resources, The
Mini DebConf Montreal organizers have created a perception that they are
undermining the hard work of the DebConf 20 team. I ask them to take a
positive
Hi,
It won’t. The Debian doesn’t update the PHP version in the stable Debian
release. The next major PHP update
will happen with next Debian stable (bullseye).
Ondrej
--
Ondřej Surý
ond...@sury.org
> On 19 Feb 2020, at 14:44, 李強尼 wrote:
>
> https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=buster§io
https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=buster§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=php7.4
Hello
PHP7.4
When will it be released?
Contributing, re: remote work trends
Hi Editor,
Thanks for opening this up, and apologies for the out-of-the-blue email.
I’ll keep this short and sweet.
My name is Dan Fries, and I'm a bootstrapped entrepreneur focused on
innovation in remote work and remote team management. I’ve been working
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Hi,
On 19/02/2020 02:54, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
Most probably, the results will be announced by mail (and not
communicated during a meeting), because the bid review process has led
us to need to decide in this way. I cannot speak for the previously
appointed DebConf Committee¹, but for the iterati
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 06:29:34PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> [...] but I think the current DebConf committee
> should strongly consider setting up a bid committee again (even if it
> largely or mostly overlaps with the DCC, that might just be natural) and
> keep the bid decision public as it
Hi,
On 18/02/20 at 23:54 -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Most probably, the results will be announced by mail (and not
> communicated during a meeting), because the bid review process has led
> us to need to decide in this way. I cannot speak for the previously
> appointed DebConf Committee¹, but for
Hi all,
On 19.02.20 06:54, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> gregor herrmann dijo [Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 09:00:33PM +0100]:
>>> That's good, the desire to have it public does not equate to a desire or
>>> need for me to be there. IMO it's just important that this doesn't
>>> happen behind closed doors again lik
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