Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-13 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 04:13:09PM +0100, Ondřej Surý a écrit : > > I concur with Scott, personally, I find content of Geraldo’s email(s) > totally unacceptable at the same time as I find the language of Tina’s > email inappropriate. For the avoidance of doubt: I do not know Geraldo, did not kno

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-13 Thread Steve McIntyre
Hi folks, We feel it is time to respond to this thread in our capacity as the Community Team, and take a moment to remind everyone of some details in the Code of Conduct.[1] Notably, we'd like to bring your attention to the first point: ***Be respectful***. Please be respectful of others when co

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-13 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2019-12-13T11:36:00-0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > This offended word keeps coming up from people who are concerned about > the code of conduct. > I'm kind of confused, because I don't see it anywhere in the CoC, nor > do I see people who tend to favor the CoC using the word offended. > Who's ever

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-13 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 10:49:12AM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > On 2019-12-13 09:56, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > When someone explicitly says that they refuse to recognise part of your > > humanity it's natural to have an emotional reaction to that. It's > > reasonable to hold AH members to higher

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-13 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Marco" == Marco d'Itri writes: Marco> I also do not believe in a general right (instead Marco> of about specific issues) of people to not be offended by Marco> other's behaviour. Is this good enough for Debian? This offended word keeps coming up from people who are concerned

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-13 Thread Marco d'Itri
I would appreciate some clarifications on this point, to better understand where I stand. I do not like transphobes (and various other kinds of bigots), I am happy to recognize people's gender identity as male, female or non-binary and to address them as they prefer using "he", "she" or "them", if

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-13 Thread Ondřej Surý
I concur with Scott, personally, I find content of Geraldo’s email(s) totally unacceptable at the same time as I find the language of Tina’s email inappropriate. Ondřej -- Ondřej Surý > On 13 Dec 2019, at 15:21, Scott Kitterman wrote: > >  > >> On December 13, 2019 11:53:21 AM UTC, Enrico

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-13 Thread Scott Kitterman
On December 13, 2019 11:53:21 AM UTC, Enrico Zini wrote: >On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 10:49:12AM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > >> No, either we have a CoC or not. >> If it goes so much against your believes, humanity or whatever else, >> that you can't answer in a sane language, ask somebody else t

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-13 Thread Enrico Zini
On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 10:49:12AM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > No, either we have a CoC or not. > If it goes so much against your believes, humanity or whatever else, > that you can't answer in a sane language, ask somebody else to answer > in your name. Especially when you are in a team that wa

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-13 Thread Steffen Möller
On 13.12.19 08:17, Jonathan Carter wrote: I find your offense to the mere use of words of 'nazi' and 'genocide' quite bizarre, there's nothing rude or even impolite to using these words in normal conversation. Ouch! Many problems here.

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-13 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 2019-12-13 09:56, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 07:31:41AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: Martina, please tone down you expression, three times "asshole" sprinkled with some "fuck off" is far above any acceptable limit here. Not to mention "genocide" and "nazi". And that fro

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-13 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 07:31:41AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: > Martina, > > please tone down you expression, three times "asshole" sprinkled with > some "fuck off" is far above any acceptable limit here. > Not to mention "genocide" and "nazi". > And that from an AH/whatever team member, this