On 15615 March 1977, Martina Ferrari wrote:
Good to know that you prefer to include bigots in Debian in exchange for
marginalised people, I am sure the other trans and nonbinary folk in
Debian must feel very welcome around you. At least you are being open
about it.
Are you misreading him on pu
On 2019/12/13 00:31, Norbert Preining wrote:
> please tone down you expression, three times "asshole" sprinkled with
> some "fuck off" is far above any acceptable limit here.
> Not to mention "genocide" and "nazi".
Nothing about Martina's comments there were at all against the CoC, it's
completely
Le Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 03:47:43AM -0300, Martina Ferrari a écrit :
>
> Whether my phrase was directed at Gerardo only or also to you, you decide.
Please do not write that, Martina. You are undermining the very code of
conduct that you are striving to defend.
To all: how about a "maximum one ma
On 13/12/2019 02:55, Norbert Preining wrote:
>> https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/12/tone-policing-and-privilege/
>
> Nice cartoon, but having emotions and blarping out insults is a
> different thing.
You are missing the point completely, like you did with my original email.
>> It is a shame th
On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 02:32:08AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 12:00:11AM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 07:31:41AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> > > Martina,
> > >
> > > please tone down you expression, three times "asshole" sprinkled with
>
Hi,
> https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/12/tone-policing-and-privilege/
Nice cartoon, but having emotions and blarping out insults is a
different thing.
> > And that from an AH/whatever team member, this is a shame for you and
> > Debian.
>
> It is a shame that Debian still has transphobes in i
On December 13, 2019 4:43:32 AM UTC, Martina Ferrari wrote:
>I forgot to say this earlier, but thanks for reminding me: anybody who
>wants to report me for CoC violations without me reading the complaint
>can do it mailing the other CT members individually.
>
>On 12/12/2019 19:31, Norbert Prein
I forgot to say this earlier, but thanks for reminding me: anybody who
wants to report me for CoC violations without me reading the complaint
can do it mailing the other CT members individually.
On 12/12/2019 19:31, Norbert Preining wrote:
> Martina,
>
> please tone down you expression, three tim
On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 12:00:11AM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 07:31:41AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> > Martina,
> >
> > please tone down you expression, three times "asshole" sprinkled with
> > some "fuck off" is far above any acceptable limit here.
> > Not to ment
On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 07:31:41AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> Martina,
>
> please tone down you expression, three times "asshole" sprinkled with
> some "fuck off" is far above any acceptable limit here.
> Not to mention "genocide" and "nazi".
> And that from an AH/whatever team member, this
Martina,
please tone down you expression, three times "asshole" sprinkled with
some "fuck off" is far above any acceptable limit here.
Not to mention "genocide" and "nazi".
And that from an AH/whatever team member, this is a shame for you and
Debian.
@listmaster: I consider this an actionable ema
On 15614 March 1977, Gerardo Ballabio wrote:
Anyway, thank you for clarifying that using people's preferred
pronouns is a requisite for being welcome in Debian. As I read them,
neither the CoC nor the Diversity Statement are explicit on that.
Maybe it would be useful to make it explicit?
They
On 12/12/2019 07:22, Gerardo Ballabio wrote:
> So this is also inevitably a political issue. It's not just about
> "being polite" (or "welcoming" or "excellent" or whatever). I believe
> that I absolutely have the right to "being impolite" if "being polite"
> means that I must use a language that
(I see that because of my mistake, this thread continued on both
-project and -vote. If you think it's better to restrict it to either
list, please say so.)
Hello Sam and others,
I did not want to derail the discussion. As I wrote, I made those
examples because I believed that they would help mak
> "Sam" == Sam Hartman writes:
Sam> In adopting the Diversity Statement and the Code of Conduct
Sam> we've committed to welcoming people to the project regardless
Sam> of how they identify the project.
Sigh.
This should have been regardless of how they identify themselves.
> "Gerardo" == Gerardo Ballabio writes:
Gerardo, somehow you've taken the discussion from terms used in Debian
elections to abortion politics and use of people's preferred pronouns.
You could have found examples from within a Debian context. They were
right there: diversity and its use in
On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 11:22:48AM +0100, Gerardo Ballabio wrote:
> That is because I believe that people's sexual identities are
> determined by objective facts, such as which chromosomes are there in
> their DNA, and not by how they subjectively "perceive themselves".
To be clear, and speakin
On 2019-12-12 10:22, Gerardo Ballabio wrote:
And indeed, in the last decades, redefining language has been a major
part of the political debate at large, with every group trying to
"hijack words for their own ends".
[...]
So when I refuse ... to abuse the
English language by calling an individu
Sigh. Trying to stay out of this, but I can't *not* respond here.
On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 11:22:48AM +0100, Gerardo Ballabio wrote:
>
>For example (forgive me if this might seem off-topic, but I think that
>working out the details of an actual example is necessary to make my
>point clear), I do no
Sorry, I just realized I sent this to the wrong list. It was for
-vote actually.
Gerardo
Il giorno gio 12 dic 2019 alle ore 11:22 Gerardo Ballabio
ha scritto:
>
> Sam, thank you very much for raising this issue and for recognizing
> that there's more than one angle to it.
>
> I tend to agree w
Sam, thank you very much for raising this issue and for recognizing
that there's more than one angle to it.
I tend to agree with Scott. It is well known, at least since George
Orwell wrote his books, that controlling how people speak means
controlling how they think. So I believe that this issue i
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