Re: Standing behind GNOME Foundation against Rothschild Patent Imaging LLC?

2019-09-28 Thread Yao Wei
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 09:04:03PM -, Chris Lamb wrote: > If we can leave the legal merits of this specific case or of software > patents in general for another time and venue, can I seek agreement > that the Debian Project would publically stand with the GNOME > Foundation against this attack

Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task

2019-09-28 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 5:44 PM John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Since Debian is also supporting projects for a good cause using their funds, Do you have any examples of this? AFAIK we don't support development nor external projects using Debian funds. The only exception I can think of is helpi

Re: Standing behind GNOME Foundation against Rothschild Patent Imaging LLC?

2019-09-28 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
Aye aye! We should distribute a fundraising site more widely among Debian for anyone in our community who is willing to donate to the collective defense of our tools. paultag On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 8:28 PM Norbert Preining wrote: > On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, Chris Lamb wrote: > > that the Debian Proje

Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task

2019-09-28 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 1:38 AM John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > GSOC exist are the very proof that it’s perfectly normal to support one-time > development tasks through funding efforts. I think that the purpose of GSoC (and other outreach programmes) is (or should be) mainly to grow the FLOSS

Re: Standing behind GNOME Foundation against Rothschild Patent Imaging LLC?

2019-09-28 Thread Norbert Preining
On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, Chris Lamb wrote: > that the Debian Project would publically stand with the GNOME > Foundation against this attack on a cherished sister project of ours > and, by extension, on free software in general? Totally agreed, thanks a lot. I have invested lots of code into Shotwell o

Re: Standing behind GNOME Foundation against Rothschild Patent Imaging LLC?

2019-09-28 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, Chris Lamb wrote: > For those not yet aware, Rothschild Patent Imaging LLC has filed a > lawsuit against the GNOME Foundation on the grounds that their > "Shotwell" photo manager violates patent §9,936,086: > > > https://www.gnome.org/news/2019/09/gnome-foundation-facing-la

Re: Standing behind GNOME Foundation against Rothschild Patent Imaging LLC?

2019-09-28 Thread Andy Simpkins
Having read the 'claim' being made, I for one, can not see there being a case to answer, however my experience does not cover the American patant/legal systems. To me this looks like a classic case of patent tolling. Any and all instaces of which SHOULD be taken into court to be struck down an

Re: Standing behind GNOME Foundation against Rothschild Patent Imaging LLC?

2019-09-28 Thread Laura Arjona Reina
Hi El 28 de septiembre de 2019 23:04:03 CEST, Chris Lamb escribió: >Dear -project, > >For those not yet aware, Rothschild Patent Imaging LLC has filed a >lawsuit against the GNOME Foundation on the grounds that their >"Shotwell" photo manager violates patent §9,936,086: > >https://www.gnome.org/

Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task

2019-09-28 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 02:26:11PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: >I don't believe anyone is stuck using old m68k hardware that they can't >afford to upgrade - the cost of maintaining (or buying) m68k systems >that can run Debian is likely to be high, compared to a PC. > >So the m68k port seems to be

Standing behind GNOME Foundation against Rothschild Patent Imaging LLC?

2019-09-28 Thread Chris Lamb
Dear -project, For those not yet aware, Rothschild Patent Imaging LLC has filed a lawsuit against the GNOME Foundation on the grounds that their "Shotwell" photo manager violates patent §9,936,086: https://www.gnome.org/news/2019/09/gnome-foundation-facing-lawsuit-from-rothschild-patent-imagin

Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task

2019-09-28 Thread Guillem Jover
On Sat, 2019-09-28 at 14:11:22 +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 02:26:11PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > If I'm mistaken and the m68k port is attracting new contributors to > > Debian, that contribute in other areas as well, I might be persuaded > > otherwise. > > what about

Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task

2019-09-28 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
> On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:57 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > ]] John Paul Adrian Glaubitz > >> I don’t know what “m-f-t” stands for in this context, sorry. I’m on >> mobile at the moment though so my phone might be messing up >> things. Sorry for that. > > Mail-Followup-To. Don't Cc people u

Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task

2019-09-28 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] John Paul Adrian Glaubitz > I don’t know what “m-f-t” stands for in this context, sorry. I’m on > mobile at the moment though so my phone might be messing up > things. Sorry for that. Mail-Followup-To. Don't Cc people unless explicitly requested. [...] > But that’s just your personal opini

Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task

2019-09-28 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
> On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:19 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > >  > Please respect m-f-t, as is the custom on Debian lists? I don’t know what “m-f-t” stands for in this context, sorry. I’m on mobile at the moment though so my phone might be messing up things. Sorry for that. > ]] John Paul Adrian

Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task

2019-09-28 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
Please respect m-f-t, as is the custom on Debian lists? ]] John Paul Adrian Glaubitz > As I explained in my previous mail: The development task here is > something that goes a little beyond normal maintenance work and hence > requires someone to work with a longer dedication on the task. The

Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task

2019-09-28 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
> On Sep 28, 2019, at 6:19 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: >> >> No, it just means that the current gcc maintainer [1] for m68k backend hasn't >> worked on this particular task yet because his employer wouldn't pay for >> this particular work. Unlike the other ports like amd64, ppc64el, arm* >> and

Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task

2019-09-28 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] John Paul Adrian Glaubitz > Hello! > > On 9/28/19 3:26 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > >> Since the lack of modernization would eventually mean that m68k support > >> would > >> get removed from gcc, I'm currently running a campaign to prevent that. I > >> have already opened a tracker bug upst

Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task

2019-09-28 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hello! On 9/28/19 3:26 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: >> Since the lack of modernization would eventually mean that m68k support would >> get removed from gcc, I'm currently running a campaign to prevent that. I >> have already opened a tracker bug upstream in gcc's bugzilla [2] as well as >> linked t

Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task

2019-09-28 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 02:26:11PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > If I'm mistaken and the m68k port is attracting new contributors to > Debian, that contribute in other areas as well, I might be persuaded > otherwise. what about keeping old contributors attracted? -- cheers, Holger

Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task

2019-09-28 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] John Paul Adrian Glaubitz > Since the lack of modernization would eventually mean that m68k support would > get removed from gcc, I'm currently running a campaign to prevent that. I > have already opened a tracker bug upstream in gcc's bugzilla [2] as well as > linked the issue to BountySource

Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task

2019-09-28 Thread Ben Hutchings
I don't believe anyone is stuck using old m68k hardware that they can't afford to upgrade - the cost of maintaining (or buying) m68k systems that can run Debian is likely to be high, compared to a PC. So the m68k port seems to be only a fun hobby for a small group of existing developers and users.

Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task

2019-09-28 Thread Geert Stappers
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 11:44:26AM +0200 ... > to "MODE_CC" as described in [1]. > > In the future, gcc upstream expects all backends to be using MODE_CC for the > internal register representation as the old CC0 is supposed to be removed. ... > I have already talked to the DPL personall

Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task

2019-09-28 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Hi, On 2019-09-28 11:44, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > Hello! > > I'm posting here on behalf the Debian Ports team as we're seeking support Just for clarification, what you call "Debian Ports team" is the group of porters working on some of the ports hosted on the "Debian Ports" [1] service

Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task

2019-09-28 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
Hello! I'm posting here on behalf the Debian Ports team as we're seeking support to finance an important development task in gcc. In particular, I'm talking about the one-time job to modernize the m68k backend by porting it from "CC0" to "MODE_CC" as described in [1]. In the future, gcc upstream