On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 10:03:06PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > > Does the project want to say that a DM is less trustworthy than a DD?
> > Yes, obviously. Just like a DM is more trustworthy than a non-DM.
>
> It would be more accurate to say that a DD is more *trusted* than a DM,
> and a DM i
Miles Fidelman writes:
> On 1/7/19 10:06 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> Speaking as someone who is a listed author on three published RFCs and
>> chaired one IETF working group, I will take Debian process over IETF
>> process any day, and find your description of the IETF pretty
>> entertaining. :)
Miles Fidelman writes:
> I think you're minimizing the level of investment & commitment it takes
> to either use Debian, particularly in production, and even more,
> minimizing the efforts of upstream, and kernel, developers upon whom
> Debian ultimately depends.
I really don't think I am, parti
On 1/7/19 10:06 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
On the other hand, the IETF seems to do just fine - with a much larger
base of participants, and a lot more room for discussion and debate on
contentious issues. Global infrastructure, with distributed ownership,
lots of stakehol
On Monday, January 07, 2019 07:06:28 PM Russ Allbery wrote:
> Miles Fidelman writes:
> > On the other hand, the IETF seems to do just fine - with a much larger
> > base of participants, and a lot more room for discussion and debate on
> > contentious issues. Global infrastructure, with distribute
On 1/7/19 9:12 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
Well, first off, the process led to the resignation of the chair of the
Technical Committee - out of a feeling that the process had become too
"personalized."
Some decisions are just hard. I think nearly all of us involved in ma
Miles Fidelman writes:
> On the other hand, the IETF seems to do just fine - with a much larger
> base of participants, and a lot more room for discussion and debate on
> contentious issues. Global infrastructure, with distributed ownership,
> lots of stakeholders, all held together by agreement
On 1/7/19 8:48 PM, Eldon Koyle wrote:
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 6:18 PM Miles Fidelman
wrote:
On 1/7/19 7:57 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 01:47:41PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
On 1/7/19 10:57 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes ("Re: Censorship in Debian"):
On
Miles Fidelman writes:
> Well, first off, the process led to the resignation of the chair of the
> Technical Committee - out of a feeling that the process had become too
> "personalized."
Some decisions are just hard. I think nearly all of us involved in making
that decision burned out in vario
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 6:18 PM Miles Fidelman
wrote:
>
> On 1/7/19 7:57 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 01:47:41PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >> On 1/7/19 10:57 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:
> >>> Miles Fidelman writes ("Re: Censorship in Debian"):
> On 1/6/19 1:38 AM, St
Hi there,
I'm reaching out to you to see if you would be open to working together. I
would like to sponsor a post on your site via link insertion or submit a
guest post.
For a link insertion, I'd be happy to send more details over if you are
interested. As for a post, I could do a write-up and p
On 1/7/19 7:57 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 01:47:41PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
On 1/7/19 10:57 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes ("Re: Censorship in Debian"):
On 1/6/19 1:38 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
[systemd stuff]
[systemd stuff]
I appreciate that the
On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 01:47:41PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> On 1/7/19 10:57 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > Miles Fidelman writes ("Re: Censorship in Debian"):
> > > On 1/6/19 1:38 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > > [systemd stuff]
> > > [systemd stuff]
> > I appreciate that the fights over system
On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 11:27:35PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> 1. Appealing DAM decisions
> --
> Any person who had their Debian membership suspended or revoked by DAM may
> appeal the decision. They must request the appeal within 30 days, stating
> why they disagree with
Correction :-
On 07/01/2019, shirish शिरीष wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I would request people to read it in full, maybe take some time and
> then respond.
>
> Also please CC me if somebody responds as I'm not subscribed to the
> list but did read the archives of this month and the last :)
>
> Recently
Hello everyone,
One of the things that emerged from the recent discussions around DAM actions
is that we are missing a way to review or appeal DAM's decision. Currently
the only way to do this is running a full-featured GR, with all the negative
side effects such a process has.
While a GR i
On Mon, 2019-01-07 at 12:02 +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 12:47:34AM +, Richard Hecker wrote:
> > Does the project want to say that a DM is less trustworthy than a DD?
> Yes, obviously. Just like a DM is more trustworthy than a non-DM.
It would be more accurate to
Dear all,
I would request people to read it in full, maybe take some time and
then respond.
Also please CC me if somebody responds as I'm not subscribed to the
list but did read the archives of this month and the last :)
Recently, Debutsav was organized in Kerala. You can read about the
event at
Ian,
On 1/7/19 10:57 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes ("Re: Censorship in Debian"):
On 1/6/19 1:38 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
[systemd stuff]
[systemd stuff]
I appreciate that the fights over systemd have been a defining
experience for many of us. Many of us are still bitter, me
Ian Jackson - 07.01.19, 19:00:
> > For me, any code of conduct and its enforcement needs to be based on
> > actual behavior, never on assuming intentions or assuming about how
> > people are.
>
> Once again, there is a difference between *assuming* and *inferring*.
>
> I doubt this will really co
Jan 7, 2019, 3:57 PM by ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk:
>
> The issues are very different. And the toxic emotional and political
> baggage from the init system stuff is really bad. So bringing init
> system stuff into this conversation about acceptable conduct just
> increases the hurt and a
Martin Steigerwald writes ("Re: Censorship in Debian"):
> Ian Jackson - 05.01.19, 18:17:
> > Very competently toxic people will calculate precisely what they can
> > get away with: they will ride roughshod over weak victims or in
> > situations with less visibility; when challenged by an authority
Hello,
Ian Jackson - 07.01.19, 16:57:
> Miles Fidelman writes ("Re: Censorship in Debian"):
> > On 1/6/19 1:38 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > [systemd stuff]
> >
> > [systemd stuff]
>
> I appreciate that the fights over systemd have been a defining
> experience for many of us. Many of us are s
Miles Fidelman writes ("Re: Censorship in Debian"):
> On 1/6/19 1:38 AM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > [systemd stuff]
> [systemd stuff]
I appreciate that the fights over systemd have been a defining
experience for many of us. Many of us are still bitter, me included.
I also appreciate that in some r
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