Re: Interpreting the init system GR results

2014-11-19 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Russ Allbery: > A lot of that analysis concludes that the pro-systemd "side" in Debian > won some sort of conclusive victory. > I have a different perspective. > Too true. This GR does not have winners. We all lost. Not as a result of this vote, bus because of the incessant arguing, trolling,

Re: Interpreting the init system GR results

2014-11-19 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mittwoch, 19. November 2014, Russ Allbery wrote: > I originally posted this in a thread on debian-private, but on further > reflection it seems appropriate for a broader audience. my reply there: "lovely words, thanks a wow". really, thanks for expressing this this way. My thoughts exactly, b

Interpreting the init system GR results

2014-11-19 Thread Russ Allbery
I originally posted this in a thread on debian-private, but on further reflection it seems appropriate for a broader audience. There is quite a lot of discussion in various places about what the recent GR result means. Some are concluding that systemd won in some way that implies Debian is not go

Debian Maintainers Keyring changes

2014-11-19 Thread Debian FTP Masters
The following changes to the debian-maintainers keyring have just been activated: abart...@samba.org Full name: Andrew Bartlett Added key: 81609BF85375BA5E510CCEA1FE001D44C8021865 andreas.m...@warperbbs.de Full name: Andreas Moog Added key: 74CDD9FE5BCBFE0D13EE8EEA61F3442674DE66

Re: Can I still depend on Debian?

2014-11-19 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 17/11/14 11:08, Joe Neal wrote: > Hello all, > > I've been using Debian since the never-ending Sarge freeze. I've never > really used anything else. I presently depend on servers running Debian > to pay rent and put food on my table. > > The thing is, Debian seems to be self-destructing.

Re: Can I still depend on Debian?

2014-11-19 Thread Owen Dunn
Philip Hands writes: > Rhy Thornton writes: > ... >> More concerning than that is that systemd won't be producing human >> readable log files. > ... >> (to be fair, I haven't really >> looked into it yet. I'm busy with real work). > > I wonder why you feel qualified to comment. :-/ I don't t