Systemd Discussions--The Good Parts

2014-11-17 Thread Sam Hartman
I've tried to slow down my rate of posting both because I've said what it was useful for me to say and because after the most recent IETF meeting I've been taking a vacation in Hawaii, meditating floating in the ocean and living in the moment laughing with joy as the salt spray soaks my body. I'l

Re: Can I still depend on Debian?

2014-11-17 Thread Russell Stuart
On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 14:10 -0800, Rhy Thornton wrote: > More concerning than that is that systemd won't be producing human > readable log files. As a full time sysadmin, I'm reading log files all > day, and I have to wonder what the reasoning behind this is (to be fair, > I haven't really look

Re: Can I still depend on Debian?

2014-11-17 Thread Miles Fidelman
To the original question - I'm thinking the Jessie is going to be Debian's equivalent of Microsoft Vista. I plan to stay on Wheezy as long as LTS lets me, and wait and see how things shake out. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there

Re: Can I still depend on Debian?

2014-11-17 Thread Philip Hands
Rhy Thornton writes: ... > More concerning than that is that systemd won't be producing human > readable log files. ... > (to be fair, I haven't really > looked into it yet. I'm busy with real work). I wonder why you feel qualified to comment. :-/ I've only played briefly with systemd, and ev

Re: Can I still depend on Debian?

2014-11-17 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:10:49PM -0800, Rhy Thornton wrote: > More concerning than that is that systemd won't be producing human > readable log files. As a full time sysadmin, I'm reading log files There currently is a bug in Debian where your log messages aren't working. I forgot details, but

Re: Can I still depend on Debian?

2014-11-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Rhy Thornton writes: > More concerning than that is that systemd won't be producing human > readable log files. Hi Rhy, There is no truth to the rumor that systemd doesn't produce human-readable log files. In a recent discussion on debian-devel, we identified a bug in the current syslog-ng pac

Re: Can I still depend on Debian?

2014-11-17 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 14:10 -0800, Rhy Thornton wrote: > More concerning than that is that systemd won't be producing human > readable log files. As a full time sysadmin, I'm reading log files all > day, and I have to wonder what the reasoning behind this is (to be fair, > I haven't really look

Re: Can I still depend on Debian?

2014-11-17 Thread Rhy Thornton
I've got the same concerns. I'm also very concerned because apparently the systemd push may happen on servers I already built if I forgot to use Debian Stable, which I may have, because I've never had any issues previous with riding on the edge, and I like to provide feedback upstream where po

Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-17 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 11:58 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > I think that everyone will agree that we are having a big crisis about > the role of the TC in Debian. Is there really a crisis? It rather seems to me that the TC, especially in its recent composition (i.e before Colin and Russ announced t

Re: donations and paypal

2014-11-17 Thread Sylvestre Ledru
On 17/11/2014 10:15, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 17/11/14 at 16:09 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: >> >>> However, this is not a reason to bounce my email from -www@ to -project@ >>> without making it clear that you did that (by forwarding it instead

Re: Resigning from the Technical Committee

2014-11-17 Thread Ralf Jung
Hi Russ, > Hello everyone, > > I resign from the Debian Technical Committee, effective immediately. > > Doing this immediately is for the sake of clarity and for some of the > reasons mentioned below, not to cause problems for anyone. I don't > believe any issues are created at this point by an

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Re: [CTTE #746578] libpam-systemd to switch alternate dependency ordering

2014-11-17 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, I think that everyone will agree that we are having a big crisis about the role of the TC in Debian. What saddens me deeply is how some of us framed this as a "Debian vs the Technical Committee" fight. The Technical Committee _is_ Debian. If we feel it's malfunctionning, it's our problem as De

Re: Can I still depend on Debian?

2014-11-17 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
Thanks for your mail Joe, On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 04:08:10AM -0600, Joe Neal wrote: > The thing is, Debian seems to be self-destructing. Can you blame me > for wondering if I should upgrade my servers to Jessie when the time > comes or migrate them to another distro entirely? As a user, I think

Can I still depend on Debian?

2014-11-17 Thread Joe Neal
Hello all, I've been using Debian since the never-ending Sarge freeze. I've never really used anything else. I presently depend on servers running Debian to pay rent and put food on my table. The thing is, Debian seems to be self-destructing. Can you blame me for wondering if I should upgrade

Re: donations and paypal

2014-11-17 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 17/11/14 at 16:09 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > However, this is not a reason to bounce my email from -www@ to -project@ > > without making it clear that you did that (by forwarding it instead of > > bouncing it, for example). > > FTR, I

Re: donations and paypal

2014-11-17 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > However, this is not a reason to bounce my email from -www@ to -project@ > without making it clear that you did that (by forwarding it instead of > bouncing it, for example). FTR, I was the one who bounced the message, not David. -- bye,

Re: donations and paypal

2014-11-17 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi David, On 16/11/14 at 18:31 -0400, David Prévot wrote: > Hi, > > Le 16/11/2014 15:23, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : > > (resending to -www@, #681501 is now archived) > > Resending to project, and setting follow-up-to accordingly: this is > about the public image of the project, it’s not limited to