Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Chris Knadle
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 21:39:47 Russ Allbery wrote: > Chris Knadle writes: > > On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 16:27:52 Russ Allbery wrote: > >> Ean Schuessler writes: > >>> I am actually for the CoC. My complaint is that the GR does not > >>> require a record keeping process. I actually

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Chris Knadle writes: > On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 16:27:52 Russ Allbery wrote: >> Ean Schuessler writes: >>> I am actually for the CoC. My complaint is that the GR does not >>> require a record keeping process. I actually agree with Steve that we >>> should not be concerned about publicly a

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Chris Knadle
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 16:27:52 Russ Allbery wrote: > Ean Schuessler writes: > > I am actually for the CoC. My complaint is that the GR does not require > > a record keeping process. I actually agree with Steve that we should not > > be concerned about publicly advertising the bans. A ban

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Ean Schuessler writes: > I am actually for the CoC. My complaint is that the GR does not require > a record keeping process. I actually agree with Steve that we should not > be concerned about publicly advertising the bans. A ban should have been > proceeded by a warning and should be reasonable

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Ean Schuessler
- "Ian Jackson" wrote: > This isn't really true IMO. Someone who is banned can always send a > message privately to a sympathetic contributor, who can forward it if > it seems relevant or interesting. (I have in fact done this for a > contributor who was under some kind of cloud, when they

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Ian Jackson
Ean Schuessler writes ("Re: GR proposal: code of conduct"): > I feel we must see clearly that the CoC and its related ban punishment > effectively amounts to a nascent "court system" for the project. I don't think that's the case and I don't want to see it that way. > A comprehensive ban is eff

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2014-02-12 Thread Nikolai Gad
First of all I apologize if this is not the right place to ask, but to a newcomer all the Debian lists can be a bit confusing and I was not able to find a more relevant list. I am a master student at the IT University of Copenhagen and I am writing my final thesis on contributors to Free and Open

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Chris Knadle
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 11:45:05 Ean Schuessler wrote: > - "Wouter Verhelst" wrote: > > # Debian Code of Conduct > > ... > > > ## In case of problems > > > > Serious or persistent offenders will be temporarily or permanently > > banned from communicating through Debian's systems. Co

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 06:25:12PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 11:59 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > [...] > > ## Assume good faith > > > > Debian Contributors have many ways of reaching our common goal of a > > [free](http://www.debian.org/intro/free) operating system whic

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:45:05AM -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote: > I hope many of you will agree that while the CoC may be a necessary > feature for our community it should be governed in a transparent, > policy-driven and unbiased manner with detailed record keeping and > peer review. I agree with

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, Ean Schuessler wrote: > It is well understood that secret laws and secret courts are not a > desirable feature for any government. I feel that the same should hold > true for our community. The procedures leading up to a ban, the > evidence collected, the criteria the evidence

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 11:59 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: [...] > ## Assume good faith > > Debian Contributors have many ways of reaching our common goal of a > [free](http://www.debian.org/intro/free) operating system which may > differ from your ways. Assume that other people are working towards

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Abou Al Montacir
On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 11:45 -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote: > > It is well understood that secret laws and secret courts are not a > desirable feature for any government. I feel that the same should > hold true for our community. The procedures leading up to a ban, the > evidence collected, the crit

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Ean Schuessler
- "Wouter Verhelst" wrote: > # Debian Code of Conduct ... > ## In case of problems > > Serious or persistent offenders will be temporarily or permanently > banned from communicating through Debian's systems. Complaints should > be made (in private) to the administrators of the Debian commun

Re: systemd bad press? score card?

2014-02-12 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On 10/02/2014 17:26, Daniel Pocock wrote: > http://www.itwire.com snip > Not really objective journalism The byline alone is enough to deduce this. Let's not feed the trolls. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact li

Re: systemd bad press? score card?

2014-02-12 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:42:14AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > I personally would defer to the Debian press team to decide whether they > feel we should make a public statement at this time. I think we're still > in the middle of our process, which I understand that a lot of people > outside the

GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi all, This is to propose a general resolution under ยง4.1.5 of the constitution to propose a Debian code of conduct. This code of conduct has been drafted during debconf, and been refined during a BoF session there and in a discussion on the debian-project mailinglist. For more details, please s