Re: Result of the Code of Conduct BOF at Debconf [and 1 more messages]

2013-11-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 05-11-13 19:53, Ian Jackson schreef: > Wouter Verhelst writes ("Re: Result of the Code of Conduct BOF at Debconf > [and 1 more messages]"): >> Op 15-08-13 11:48, Ian Jackson schreef: >>> I think the existing draft is far too long. I'd like to propose >>> something much shorter: > >>> Debi

Re: Code of Conduct: picking up

2013-11-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 05-11-13 19:47, Ian Jackson schreef: > Wouter Verhelst writes ("Code of Conduct: picking up"): >> Anyway. The story so far: >> - I posted a draft update of the code of conduct to this list in may[1], >> upon which a short discussion was started >> - It was suggested that the draft wasn't ambit

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Re: Xfce by default

2013-11-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 08:07:33PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > Can we produce a minimal netinst which does just this > for a default install and adds desktop selection > for an expert install. How does the current netinst not qualify? You have to select Desktop Environment on the tasksel scr

Re: Xfce by default

2013-11-05 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 03:50:59PM +, Camaleón wrote: > On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:42:13 +0100, Stefan Mauerberger wrote: > > > Hi There! > > > > Just wanted to let you know that from my point of view it is a very bad > > call changing Debian's default desktop once more. (... GNOME2 -> GNOME3 > >

Re: Result of the Code of Conduct BOF at Debconf [and 1 more messages]

2013-11-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Wouter Verhelst writes ("Re: Result of the Code of Conduct BOF at Debconf [and 1 more messages]"): > Op 15-08-13 11:48, Ian Jackson schreef: > > I think the existing draft is far too long. I'd like to propose > > something much shorter: ... > > Debian code of conduct > > -- ..

Re: Code of Conduct: picking up

2013-11-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Wouter Verhelst writes ("Code of Conduct: picking up"): > Anyway. The story so far: > - I posted a draft update of the code of conduct to this list in may[1], > upon which a short discussion was started > - It was suggested that the draft wasn't ambitious enough, so I wrote a > much more ambiti

Re: Result of the Code of Conduct BOF at Debconf [and 1 more messages]

2013-11-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
For clarity: Op 15-08-13 11:48, Ian Jackson schreef: > I think the existing draft is far too long. I'd like to propose > something much shorter: > > > Debian code of conduct > -- > > Debian expects everyone to help keep our community welcoming and fun: > > * Be respectful.

Re: Xfce by default

2013-11-05 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 04:47:00PM +0100, Jens Schüßler wrote: > You have to be a very stupid user who install his system new every now > and then to be affected by a default desktop at *installation*. And you > still have the choice to choose whatever bloated DE you want at > installation time. P

Re: Xfce by default

2013-11-05 Thread Jens Schüßler
* Stefan Mauerberger wrote: > I am nothing but a super stupid user and I do not care what is under the > hoods. Nevertheless, what I can tell you is that users are expecting > continuity! I do not want to change all of my habits for every new release. > Be pragmatic and stay with GNOME3! That is t

Re: Xfce by default

2013-11-05 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:42:13 +0100, Stefan Mauerberger wrote: > Hi There! > > Just wanted to let you know that from my point of view it is a very bad > call changing Debian's default desktop once more. (... GNOME2 -> GNOME3 > -> Xfce -> ???) IIRC, this was discussed days ago¹ on "debian-devel" m

Re: Xfce by default

2013-11-05 Thread Philip Hands
Stefan Mauerberger writes: > Hi There! > > Just wanted to let you know that from my point of view it is a very bad > call changing Debian's default desktop once more. (... GNOME2 -> GNOME3 -> > Xfce -> ???) > I am nothing but a super stupid user and I do not care what is under the > hoods. Nevert

Re: Code of Conduct: picking up

2013-11-05 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 04:25:21PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > I'd really like to avoid that this were to go down in history as another > one of my failed projects, so I'm going to try to get it finished ASAP, > and then propose a GR on the subject. I love the draft, and I'd be happy to second

Code of Conduct: picking up

2013-11-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi all, First of all, I want to apologise for allowing this to be delayed for so long. I came home from DebConf to find a number of personal and professional issues that I had to deal with, which ate away both my time and my motivation to work much on Debian. Recently, however, I've spent some ti

Xfce by default

2013-11-05 Thread Stefan Mauerberger
Hi There! Just wanted to let you know that from my point of view it is a very bad call changing Debian's default desktop once more. (... GNOME2 -> GNOME3 -> Xfce -> ???) I am nothing but a super stupid user and I do not care what is under the hoods. Nevertheless, what I can tell you is that users

Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

2013-11-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Stefano Zacchiroli > On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 02:51:52PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > > So, what would be the beneficial social effects of publishing the ban > > > *duration*? > > > > The ban duration is an indication of how severe we think the violation > > is. You don't get a lifetime