Re: Slowdown problem of a Debian package

Hello Ron, On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:56:52 +0930 Ron wrote: > I really don't know why you keep trying to frame this in terms of > completely unrelated things and avoid discussing the actual problem > that I have repeatedly indicated to you, since the very first day > you asked for my opinion on mak

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations

Venture Communism writes: > So let's get this straight. > > Step 1) Ask APT people if it belongs in APT > > Get told to go to debian-project list > > Step 2) Ask debian-project list if can put in APT > > Get told doesn't belong in APT > > Step 3) Fix proposal so it's not in APT, goes upstream as a

Re: Doing something about "should remain private forever" emails

* Russell Coker [130619 05:53]: > If the messages which are clearly listed as never to be public are removed > from the main archive then surely the task of declassifying the rest will be > a > lot easier. So therefore it might even happen. :-# How does the task get easier with less informat

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

On Mittwoch, 19. Juni 2013, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > While I am warry, I don't think we should mock or block those wishing to > build this system to help aid Debian. While I agree that we should not mock those, I absolutly do think we should block those Once motivation is destroyed, it's of

Re: Doing something about "should remain private forever" emails

Neil McGovern wrote: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 07:35:26PM +0200, Raphael Geissert wrote: >> If people start asking for the non-disclosure of their messages in >> other languages or any other way that prevents an automated process >> then it is their problem. They would be fighting against their ow

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 01:45:49PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > Personally, economic incentives have very little to do with why I work on > Debian. Fundamentally, if I was here for the money, Debian couldn't afford > me. Ditto, that's not the issue here - this wouldn't be funding *develope

Re: Doing something about "should remain private forever" emails

Hi, On 19 June 2013 00:41, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Mohammed Adnène Trojette dijo [Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:02:39AM +0200]: >> [I don't read d-projet] CC'ing you, but dropping -private. >> The spirit of the GR was to open more (even before OpenData became >> trendy, cf. today's G8's declaration). I

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 01:38:08 PM Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:35:36PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > Sorry, I cannot look at this donations proposal but as a deep failure > > waiting to happen. > > While I am warry, I don't think we should mock or block those wishing

Re: Doing something about "should remain private forever" emails

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 07:35:26PM +0200, Raphael Geissert wrote: > If people start asking for the non-disclosure of their messages in > other languages or any other way that prevents an automated process > then it is their problem. They would be fighting against their own > desire. > It's really

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

I'd like to apologize. "SPI with all its manpower" was a poor attempt at irony. Elsewhere I've tried to emphasize that I respect and honor the work people have done on the accounting side intaking donations etc and generally doing the things people rarely want to do in a FOSS project such as

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 01:38:08PM -0400, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: >On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:35:36PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: >> Sorry, I cannot look at this donations proposal but as a deep failure >> waiting to happen. > >While I am warry, I don't think we should mock or block those wishing to

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:35:36PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Sorry, I cannot look at this donations proposal but as a deep failure > waiting to happen. While I am warry, I don't think we should mock or block those wishing to build this system to help aid Debian. Cheers, Paul -- .''`. Pa

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

Scott Howard dijo [Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:01:27AM -0400]: > The donate mechanism probably could be extended to increase donation > awareness of important libraries/tools since apt knows what is really > needed for each package even if end users may not. > > Maybe something can be done like: > $ d

Re: Doing something about "should remain private forever" emails

[Dropping -private, just like I originally wanted by setting a reply-to -project] On 19 June 2013 08:24, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > Stephen Gran wrote: >> So, who's going to do this work? While they're reading every single >> message sent to the list over the last decade and a half, wouldn't it >>

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > I do, however, want to repeat my point that this kind of thing is likely > to be quite divisive even outside one distro. Donations from end-users > are highly likely to go mainly to highly visible projects, such as > Firefox/Iceweasel and Li

Re: Slowdown problem of a Debian package

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 04:54:40PM +0900, Shigio YAMAGUCHI wrote: > Hello all, > Thank you for precious advices. > Since I forgot to attach Cc: , I'm reading the mail archive. > > > Ben Hutchings wrote: > > The only way to override a maintainer's decision is through the > > Technical Committee

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

Venture Communism > Everything you said made sense until you said PaySwarm might not bet > the best way to expose financial data to the light of day. Actually > PaySwarm's data formats are in JSON-LD and therefore allow for web > native royalty-free ontology hosting in a way that is maximally > in

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations

Russ Allbery > More seriously, you really can't understate how much the project felt > generally burned by the huge Dunc-Tank controversy. I was one of the > people who thought it was a decent idea at the time, but the outcome was > far more disruptive than I think it was worth. I think an earli

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

"tfheen is not alone.  This podcast suggests a correlation between tipping and other forms of corruption - maybe because it normalises the concept of informal payment for work if and only if you like the outcome - and a deeply-researched link between various types of discrimination and tipping: htt

Re: system time has change while installing

On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 01:43:08 +0400 Maxim Markov wrote: (Culled debian-devel from the Cc list.) > I use  debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-gnome-desktop. > And it has error in Time Zones Settings. > System Time changes during installation. > It`s possible that date can changes too. > > for example: > wh

Re: Answers to questions raised about registering the Debian Logo as our trademark

Hi, On 12/06/13 at 11:49 +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > Brian Gupta > > I finally had a chance to discuss with our legal counsel, and have > > some answers to the questions raised in the discussion. > > Thanks for this. It covers all I remember. One small question: Yes, thanks a lot. > > 3) Should w

Re: Doing something about "should remain private forever" emails

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 07:11:26AM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: > So, who's going to do this work? While they're reading every single > message sent to the list over the last decade and a half, wouldn't it > make more sense to just honor the GR than to make up more work that > nobody is ever going t

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

Tollef Fog Heen > Money is a very undemocratic resource, and I believe that tipping (which > is what I consider small donations based on work done by an individual > to a single package is) is denigrating and a blight upon the world. tfheen is not alone. This podcast suggests a correlation betwe

Re: Slowdown problem of a Debian package

Hello all, Thank you for precious advices. Since I forgot to attach Cc: , I'm reading the mail archive. > Ben Hutchings wrote: > The only way to override a maintainer's decision is through the > Technical Committee . However, I won't make a technical disput

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

"On the other hand, I agree as well that something like this is no longer Debian-specific, and should be better discussed / adopted at a cross-distro level, relying on existing standards (e.g. DOAP) if available." DOAP is RDF. PaySwarm is RDF. Doesn't get more interoperable than that. - Ori

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 07:53:42AM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > Donations from end-users are highly likely to go mainly to highly > visible projects, such as Firefox/Iceweasel and LibreOffice. But doesn't this problem already exist with the status quo? Let's assume that Firefox, LibreOffice, FS