Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

"Those projects are of course deserving the support, but it leaves all the less-visible but crucially important projects without the support." You already have as much help as you need in leaving them without support already so a contribution of labor would be superfluous. Something like that?

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

So let's get this straight. Step 1) Ask APT people if it belongs in APT Get told to go to debian-project list Step 2) Ask debian-project list if can put in APT Get told doesn't belong in APT Step 3) Fix proposal so it's not in APT, changes to package named 'donate', includes other non-univers

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 09:55:11PM -0400, Manu Sporny wrote: > This is a highly re-worked proposal for performing upstream donations > and donations to the Debian project. Major changes include: > > * Debian developers are not allowed to receive any direct monetary > contribution or change the u

Re: Doing something about "should remain private forever" emails

Stephen Gran wrote: > So, who's going to do this work? While they're reading every single > message sent to the list over the last decade and a half, wouldn't it > make more sense to just honor the GR than to make up more work that > nobody is ever going to do? I think Raphael was suggesting inc

Re: Doing something about "should remain private forever" emails

This one time, at band camp, Charles Plessy said: > Le Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:49:55PM +0200, Raphael Geissert a écrit : > > > > At present, new DDs can access emails that were sent to -private years ago. > > People who might (or might not) be a member of the project and sent an > > email > > m

Re: Slowdown problem of a Debian package

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Shigio YAMAGUCHI wrote: > I have a serious problem which is concerned with a Debian > package. It is also a problem for Debian, I believe. Any particular reason you didn't CC Ron on this thread? Usually when talking about someone we do that. -- bye, pabs http:

Re: Slowdown problem of a Debian package

Hello wes, Thank you for getting interested. I don't know what is pointed out by the statement: 'I expressed my concerns about this to you already.' It is his two commands: 'htmake' and 'htconfig' which I dismissed. If there is a serious defect, I would like to know it too. Taisuke's su

Re: Doing something about "should remain private forever" emails

On Wed, 19 Jun 2013, Mohammed Adnène Trojette wrote: > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013, Raphael Geissert wrote: > > Comments? > > The spirit of the GR was to open more (even before OpenData became > trendy, cf. today's G8's declaration). I fear that your proposal will > ease the opposite. If the messages w

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

Le Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 09:55:11PM -0400, Manu Sporny a écrit : > This is a highly re-worked proposal for performing upstream donations > and donations to the Debian project. Major changes include: > > * Debian developers are not allowed to receive any direct monetary > contribution or change th

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations

Venture Communism writes: > So let's get this straight. > Step 1) Ask APT people if it belongs in APT > Get told to go to debian-project list > Step 2) Ask debian-project list if can put in APT > Get told doesn't belong in APT > Step 3) Fix proposal so it's not in APT, goes upstream as asked

Re: Slowdown problem of a Debian package

hello shigio. where can i find more discussion of the following concern, raised in the #574947 bugthread? r...@debian.org wrote, on 2013-03-06 (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574947#59): I cannot feel comfortable about introducing a new interface for end-users that requires

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations

Paul Wise writes: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Manu Sporny wrote: >> Does this sound like a workable solution? > I think you should take this to the FreeDesktop lists, Debian is just > one distro and we certainly can't set cross-distro upstream standards. I would also encourage you to app

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

So let's get this straight. Step 1) Ask APT people if it belongs in APT Get told to go to debian-project list Step 2) Ask debian-project list if can put in APT Get told doesn't belong in APT Step 3) Fix proposal so it's not in APT, goes upstream as asked for, etc. Get told to go tell another

Re: Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Manu Sporny wrote: > * Debian developers are not allowed to receive any direct monetary > contribution or change the upstream DONATE file in any way. There are definitely situations where not updating the DONATE file is a bad idea; when upstream is dead and the

Proposal #3: Upstream/Debian Project donations (was: PaySwarm-based donations)

This is a highly re-worked proposal for performing upstream donations and donations to the Debian project. Major changes include: * Debian developers are not allowed to receive any direct monetary contribution or change the upstream DONATE file in any way. * The solution isn't specific to apt. *

Re: Slowdown problem of a Debian package

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 02:15:25AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > The only way to override a maintainer's decision is through the > Technical Committee . In addition to this great advice, I'd also like to add what's inferred by this remark - ron is actively ma

Re: Slowdown problem of a Debian package

On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 07:58 +0900, Shigio YAMAGUCHI wrote: > Hello all, > I have a serious problem which is concerned with a Debian > package. It is also a problem for Debian, I believe. > > If this mail is out of place, I will apologize. Although I > looked at all mailing lists of Debian, I could

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

Nikolaus Rath writes: > Russ Allbery writes: >> Some of us (myself definitely included) are involved in free software >> precisely *because* we're strongly anti-capitalist, anti-marketing, and >> firmly opposed to the economic structures that dominate so much of the >> rest of life. If your ple

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

Russ Allbery writes: > Some of us (myself definitely included) are involved in free software > precisely *because* we're strongly anti-capitalist, anti-marketing, and > firmly opposed to the economic structures that dominate so much of the > rest of life. If your plea is for distributions to act

Slowdown problem of a Debian package

Hello all, I have a serious problem which is concerned with a Debian package. It is also a problem for Debian, I believe. If this mail is out of place, I will apologize. Although I looked at all mailing lists of Debian, I could not find any other list than here for this issue. Would you please tel

Re: Doing something about "should remain private forever" emails

Le Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:49:55PM +0200, Raphael Geissert a écrit : > > At present, new DDs can access emails that were sent to -private years ago. > People who might (or might not) be a member of the project and sent an email > may not necessarily agree to that. Or a less controversial example

Re: Doing something about "should remain private forever" emails

Mohammed Adnène Trojette dijo [Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:02:39AM +0200]: > [I don't read d-projet] > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013, Raphael Geissert wrote: > > Comments? > > The spirit of the GR was to open more (even before OpenData became > trendy, cf. today's G8's declaration). I fear that your proposa

Re: Doing something about "should remain private forever" emails

[I don't read d-projet] On Tue, Jun 18, 2013, Raphael Geissert wrote: > Comments? The spirit of the GR was to open more (even before OpenData became trendy, cf. today's G8's declaration). I fear that your proposal will ease the opposite. -- Adnène -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-r

system time has change while installing

Hello. I use  debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-gnome-desktop. And it has error in Time Zones Settings. System Time changes during installation. It`s possible that date can changes too. for example: when i boot from livecd i change location settings from London to Russia (Asia), Krasnoyarsk and my syst

Re: Doing something about "should remain private forever" emails

Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > So, to get mail from 2 years ago, you have to decompress every tarball > between now and then? s/decompress/decrypt/ yes, that's the idea. Possibly having the secrets shared between different people every time. Cheers, -- Raphael Geissert - Debian Developer www.debian.

Re: Doing something about "should remain private forever" emails

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 10:49:55PM +0200, Raphael Geissert wrote: > At present, new DDs can access emails that were sent to -private years ago. I've read such emails, just to get an idea of what's been sent, to figure out what the heck private is for, really (when I was a green DD). I mean, I don

Doing something about "should remain private forever" emails

Hi, So everyone knows that the declassification of -private isn't going to happen any time soon. Why not do the opposite? there is probably more interest in that and would be "easier" to implement. At present, new DDs can access emails that were sent to -private years ago. People who might (or

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

Martin Owens writes: > On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 22:00 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> If that's what an upstream is after, they should pick a different >> software license; > Non-Commercial terms are non-free. If they want to exclude commercial > distribution they should not be involved in Free Softw

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 14:25 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > and I'd be willing to accept that we may need to improve Yes. FYI Not my new toy. I'm not affiliated with and have no relation to payswarm. The technical mechanism isn't as important as the social ones. M -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

On 18-06-13 05:50, Martin Owens wrote: > On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 19:44 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> They are not the same thing at all. The social effects >> are almost completely different. > > It's not a false equivalence. Participation is not just about being a > programmer, if you can convince

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 22:00 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > If that's what an upstream is after, they should pick a different > software license; Non-Commercial terms are non-free. If they want to exclude commercial distribution they should not be involved in Free Software. Free as in Freedom, the f

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

Hi, I didnt want to participate in this thread anymore (all has been said) but then I found this new study linked below by chance and found it matching this thread too well... On Dienstag, 18. Juni 2013, Brian Gupta wrote: > What do you think of this recent University Study? > http://www.dailym

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

]] Manu Sporny > On 06/16/2013 06:26 AM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > OTOH, I think it would be fine to have something at the package level > > to pass on donations to our upstreams, as well as to ease donating to > > the Debian project as a whole. See [1,2], already mentioned by Paul > > Wise i

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

On Tue, June 18, 2013 04:31, Martin Owens wrote: > On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 19:03 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: >> site requesting user's charity > > You mean user's involvement. You don't want users to be invited to > participate in Debian. Debian isn't elitist and it shouldn't care that > the tool being

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

Brian, what do you think of the successes of participatory budgeting in Porto Alegre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_budgeting? Also doesn't that dailymail article state that it's mostly the upper classes that are tempted by the "mere smell" of money? "One 2012 study by the Univers

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

I know it's too late because everyone has already read my accidental posting of a first draft that was still undergoing heavy editing but I wanted to set the record straight about what I actually intended to publish a couple minutes ago with the correct version. If you've already read the last v

Re: PaySwarm-based Debian donations

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