Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-10 Thread gregor herrmann
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:23:51 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > I disagree that this thread is flattr-specific. /me too. > It clearly is the most cited example, most likely because is what we all > have in mind and because Flattr is quite popular these days. Still, I > don't think anybody is tr

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-10 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 04:59:14PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > >However, what I am saying is that this idea that people should not >complain, or the even more strongly expressed opinion from Michael Gilbert >that this is some sort of free speech issue, is nonsense. > >Planet Debian is a Debian pro

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Russ Allbery writes: > Michael Gilbert writes: >> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:56:18 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: >>> I respectfully disagree. Depending on the context and the situation, >>> I may consider someone asking me to give them money to be intrusive >>> and obnoxious, and I reserve the right t

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Michael Gilbert writes: > On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:56:18 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: >> I respectfully disagree. Depending on the context and the situation, I >> may consider someone asking me to give them money to be intrusive and >> obnoxious, and I reserve the right to complain when it happens i

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-10 Thread Charles Plessy
Dear Raphaël and everybody, While I also share some skepticism about Flatter, I would like to underline that the posts on Planet that contain a Flatter button tend to be more about free software than the others in general. I am much more annoyed by family albums for instance, and large pictures in

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-10 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:56:18 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Tshepang Lekhonkhobe writes: > > > Anyways, you should not complain when someone asks you to give them > > money, even if it results in you feeling guilty for not complying. > > I respectfully disagree. Depending on the context and the s

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-10 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 05:24:40PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > I don't know on what your summary is based. Looking at the replies, we > have about 50% persons that wants to filter it and 50% that don't mind > keeping them. It was based on my own perception of the general feeling, by re-reading

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 08:20:13PM +0100, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: Hi! * Sune Vuorela [101110 18:19]: >> I am annoyed by the flattr advertisement and I stayed away from >> the thread becuase my opinion was already represented, not point >> in repeating them. If you are going do a 'pol

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-10 Thread Ben Finney
Ana Guerrero writes: > I am annoyed by the flattr advertisement and I stayed away from the > thread becuase my opinion was already represented, not point in > repeating them. If you are going do a 'poll' based on the people > participating, add 1 to the list of annoyed people. +1 -- \ “

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Tshepang Lekhonkhobe writes: > Anyways, you should not complain when someone asks you to give them > money, even if it results in you feeling guilty for not complying. I respectfully disagree. Depending on the context and the situation, I may consider someone asking me to give them money to be

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-10 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 23:22, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: > Hi Raphael > > On 10/11/2010 14:45, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >> On Mon, 08 Nov 2010, Holger Levsen wrote: >>> since a while, we see unsolicted commercial links and images on planet, >>> mostly >>> about flattr. >> >> So it's now

Re: What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-10 Thread Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
Hi Raphael On 10/11/2010 14:45, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Mon, 08 Nov 2010, Holger Levsen wrote: >> since a while, we see unsolicted commercial links and images on planet, >> mostly >> about flattr. > > So it's now clear that this thread is only about flattr buttons. Quite a few > people expl

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2010-11-10 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
* Raphael Hertzog [2010-11-10 20:45:22 CET]: > On Mon, 08 Nov 2010, Holger Levsen wrote: > > since a while, we see unsolicted commercial links and images on planet, > > mostly > > about flattr. > > So it's now clear that this thread is only about flattr buttons. Actually it started as that, b

What is annoying in the flattr buttons?

2010-11-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 08 Nov 2010, Holger Levsen wrote: > since a while, we see unsolicted commercial links and images on planet, > mostly > about flattr. So it's now clear that this thread is only about flattr buttons. Quite a few people explained that they are (at varying level) annoyed by them. I woul

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-10 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! * Sune Vuorela [101110 18:19]: > >> I am annoyed by the flattr advertisement and I stayed away from the thread > >> becuase my opinion was already represented, not point in repeating them. > >> If you are going do a 'poll' based on the people participating, add > >> 1 to the list of annoy

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-10 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2010-11-10, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > I'm not particularly happy with the 'flattr this' buttons either. My > main problem is that I find quite difficult to avoid interpreting them > as DMUP violations, specifically about DMUP point "don't use Debian > Facilities for private financial gain".

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-10 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2010-11-10, Julien BLACHE wrote: > Ana Guerrero wrote: > >> I am annoyed by the flattr advertisement and I stayed away from the thread >> becuase my opinion was already represented, not point in repeating them. >> If you are going do a 'poll' based on the people participating, add >> 1 to

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-10 Thread Julien BLACHE
Ana Guerrero wrote: > I am annoyed by the flattr advertisement and I stayed away from the thread > becuase my opinion was already represented, not point in repeating them. > If you are going do a 'poll' based on the people participating, add > 1 to the list of annoyed people. Same here, plus

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-10 Thread Ana Guerrero
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 05:24:40PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > My next question for you (assuming you accept that a discussion on this > > list is enough to decide on this matter---I personally do) is whether > > you find that my summa

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > My next question for you (assuming you accept that a discussion on this > list is enough to decide on this matter---I personally do) is whether > you find that my summary of this thread, given in my former post, is > fair or not. I don't know o

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-10 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 04:20:46PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Are you going to ask DSA to rule this? No, I won't, because (as already mentioned) I concede it's a gray area and, more importantly, because I believe in a community based on rough consensus more than on a community based on judges

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-10 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Raphael Hertzog [2010-11-10 16:21]: > AFAIK the DMUP rules were meant to avoid problems that DSA would have to > deal with (either legal problems or supplementary useless work). I don't > think that the presence or the absence of a flattr button/link is going to > make any difference in terms o

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > I'm not particularly happy with the 'flattr this' buttons either. My > main problem is that I find quite difficult to avoid interpreting them > as DMUP violations, specifically about DMUP point "don't use Debian > Facilities for private financia

Re: commercial spam on planet

2010-11-10 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 03:18:39PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: > If there is agreement that such content should not be visible on planet, the > filters wouldn't have to be perfect, instead, the people being filtered would > make sure that their flattr-invitations are indeed filtered out. > > Wha