On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:23:51 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> I disagree that this thread is flattr-specific.
/me too.
> It clearly is the most cited example, most likely because is what we all
> have in mind and because Flattr is quite popular these days. Still, I
> don't think anybody is tr
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 04:59:14PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
>
>However, what I am saying is that this idea that people should not
>complain, or the even more strongly expressed opinion from Michael Gilbert
>that this is some sort of free speech issue, is nonsense.
>
>Planet Debian is a Debian pro
Russ Allbery writes:
> Michael Gilbert writes:
>> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:56:18 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
>>> I respectfully disagree. Depending on the context and the situation,
>>> I may consider someone asking me to give them money to be intrusive
>>> and obnoxious, and I reserve the right t
Michael Gilbert writes:
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:56:18 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> I respectfully disagree. Depending on the context and the situation, I
>> may consider someone asking me to give them money to be intrusive and
>> obnoxious, and I reserve the right to complain when it happens i
Dear Raphaël and everybody,
While I also share some skepticism about Flatter, I would like to underline
that the posts on Planet that contain a Flatter button tend to be more about
free software than the others in general. I am much more annoyed by family
albums for instance, and large pictures in
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 13:56:18 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Tshepang Lekhonkhobe writes:
>
> > Anyways, you should not complain when someone asks you to give them
> > money, even if it results in you feeling guilty for not complying.
>
> I respectfully disagree. Depending on the context and the s
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 05:24:40PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> I don't know on what your summary is based. Looking at the replies, we
> have about 50% persons that wants to filter it and 50% that don't mind
> keeping them.
It was based on my own perception of the general feeling, by re-reading
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 08:20:13PM +0100, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
Hi!
* Sune Vuorela [101110 18:19]:
>> I am annoyed by the flattr advertisement and I stayed away from
>> the thread becuase my opinion was already represented, not point
>> in repeating them. If you are going do a 'pol
Ana Guerrero writes:
> I am annoyed by the flattr advertisement and I stayed away from the
> thread becuase my opinion was already represented, not point in
> repeating them. If you are going do a 'poll' based on the people
> participating, add 1 to the list of annoyed people.
+1
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Tshepang Lekhonkhobe writes:
> Anyways, you should not complain when someone asks you to give them
> money, even if it results in you feeling guilty for not complying.
I respectfully disagree. Depending on the context and the situation, I
may consider someone asking me to give them money to be
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 23:22, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
wrote:
> Hi Raphael
>
> On 10/11/2010 14:45, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>> On Mon, 08 Nov 2010, Holger Levsen wrote:
>>> since a while, we see unsolicted commercial links and images on planet,
>>> mostly
>>> about flattr.
>>
>> So it's now
Hi Raphael
On 10/11/2010 14:45, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Nov 2010, Holger Levsen wrote:
>> since a while, we see unsolicted commercial links and images on planet,
>> mostly
>> about flattr.
>
> So it's now clear that this thread is only about flattr buttons. Quite a few
> people expl
* Raphael Hertzog [2010-11-10 20:45:22 CET]:
> On Mon, 08 Nov 2010, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > since a while, we see unsolicted commercial links and images on planet,
> > mostly
> > about flattr.
>
> So it's now clear that this thread is only about flattr buttons.
Actually it started as that, b
Hi,
On Mon, 08 Nov 2010, Holger Levsen wrote:
> since a while, we see unsolicted commercial links and images on planet,
> mostly
> about flattr.
So it's now clear that this thread is only about flattr buttons. Quite a few
people explained that they are (at varying level) annoyed by them. I woul
Hi!
* Sune Vuorela [101110 18:19]:
> >> I am annoyed by the flattr advertisement and I stayed away from the thread
> >> becuase my opinion was already represented, not point in repeating them.
> >> If you are going do a 'poll' based on the people participating, add
> >> 1 to the list of annoy
On 2010-11-10, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> I'm not particularly happy with the 'flattr this' buttons either. My
> main problem is that I find quite difficult to avoid interpreting them
> as DMUP violations, specifically about DMUP point "don't use Debian
> Facilities for private financial gain".
On 2010-11-10, Julien BLACHE wrote:
> Ana Guerrero wrote:
>
>> I am annoyed by the flattr advertisement and I stayed away from the thread
>> becuase my opinion was already represented, not point in repeating them.
>> If you are going do a 'poll' based on the people participating, add
>> 1 to
Ana Guerrero wrote:
> I am annoyed by the flattr advertisement and I stayed away from the thread
> becuase my opinion was already represented, not point in repeating them.
> If you are going do a 'poll' based on the people participating, add
> 1 to the list of annoyed people.
Same here, plus
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 05:24:40PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> > My next question for you (assuming you accept that a discussion on this
> > list is enough to decide on this matter---I personally do) is whether
> > you find that my summa
Hi,
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> My next question for you (assuming you accept that a discussion on this
> list is enough to decide on this matter---I personally do) is whether
> you find that my summary of this thread, given in my former post, is
> fair or not.
I don't know o
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 04:20:46PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Are you going to ask DSA to rule this?
No, I won't, because (as already mentioned) I concede it's a gray area
and, more importantly, because I believe in a community based on rough
consensus more than on a community based on judges
* Raphael Hertzog [2010-11-10 16:21]:
> AFAIK the DMUP rules were meant to avoid problems that DSA would have to
> deal with (either legal problems or supplementary useless work). I don't
> think that the presence or the absence of a flattr button/link is going to
> make any difference in terms o
Hi,
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> I'm not particularly happy with the 'flattr this' buttons either. My
> main problem is that I find quite difficult to avoid interpreting them
> as DMUP violations, specifically about DMUP point "don't use Debian
> Facilities for private financia
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 03:18:39PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
> If there is agreement that such content should not be visible on planet, the
> filters wouldn't have to be perfect, instead, the people being filtered would
> make sure that their flattr-invitations are indeed filtered out.
>
> Wha
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