Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Jesús M. Navarro
Hi, Alexander: On Thursday 10 September 2009 22:11:24 Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: > Hi! > > Jesús M. Navarro schrieb: > >> 4 Marketing stuff: > > [..] > > > So, if Debian can be truly so great for companies from IBM to Alfresco, > > to Oracle (and the end result can be so great for we, mere

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
> In terms of rationale, I think it's clear that we do *not* have to > package every piece of Free Software that is available to us. If we > can't have a sensible relationship with the upstream developers, then > I believe it would be better not to expose Debian and our users to the > problems tha

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
>> Thoughts? > I'm very much in favour of something like this. Debian is better off > without schilyware imo. This isnt special to that. We had/have other people as upstreams we might not like. (How about the one that purposely added broken code in a way that it will run on every users system bu

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
>> There has been some discussion in the last couple of years about >> whether or not Debian should distribute software that was written by >> developers that we consider to be "hostile". > In my opinion, the current recommendation in the developer references > is enough for now: Different thing.

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! Jesús M. Navarro schrieb: >> 4 Marketing stuff: [..] > So, if Debian can be truly so great for companies from IBM to Alfresco, to > Oracle (and the end result can be so great for we, mere users), how is it > that we won't have "certified" stuff from them? It can't be the platform or > e

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Josselin Mouette writes: > Le jeudi 10 septembre 2009 à 00:57 +0100, Steve McIntyre a écrit : >> 1 New hardware / equipment >> >>a The DSA team have a wishlist of new hardware they'd like […] > Full ack. Hardware is not that expensive, lack of hardware should not > hold back any of our dev

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Jesús M. Navarro
Hi, Steve: On Thursday 10 September 2009 01:57:14 Steve McIntyre wrote: [...] > 4 Marketing stuff: Yes. There's a kindof "market point" I've been wishing on Debian for years "knowing" that it simply could happen: certifications and generally rising attention to commercial producers, both har

Re: debian trademark tshirt

2009-09-10 Thread Simon Paillard
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 06:27:53PM +0200, matouskova.barb...@centrum.cz wrote: > I have a question about debian trademark. I am trying to find out > whether I can use debian logo when making a shirt and I came across > your quotation: [..] Yes you can, see : http://www.debian.org/logos/ You can e

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Harald Geyer
Frans Pop : > IMO it is not up to us to decide to pass on money donated to us to other > projects. If sponsors and donors feel Gnash is worth sponsoring, they > will do so themselves. Money donated to Debian should be spent on Debian. I'm not a DD but I already helped runnning debian booths in

debian trademark tshirt

2009-09-10 Thread matouskova.barbora
Hello, I have a question about debian trademark. I am trying to find out whether I can use debian logo when making a shirt and I came across your quotation:  "We allow all businesses to make reasonable use of the Debian trademark. For example, if you make a CD of our Debian GNU/Linux distributi

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt [2009-09-10 16:01]: > Steve McIntyre writes: > > 4 Marketing stuff: > >a box(es) of equipment to take to stands at various shows and > > expos. Might be useful, but could be expensive. Where do we store > > it/them? Who organises shipping? > > I think

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, Sep 10 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:00:53AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: >>If someone really want to maintain such package, we should not >>prohibit it, but we should make it clear that it is strongly >>recommended to not maintain such package, and that th

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Muammar El Khatib
Hi, On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > [Giacomo A. Catenazzi] >> It is useful not only for Debian, so IMHO Debian could donate some >> money, but only if other big distributions (RedHat, SuSe/Novel, >> Ubuntu, etc.) do the same. > > I find this to be a rather useless re

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Giacomo A. Catenazzi] > It is useful not only for Debian, so IMHO Debian could donate some > money, but only if other big distributions (RedHat, SuSe/Novel, > Ubuntu, etc.) do the same. I find this to be a rather useless requirement to have, unless the goal is to do nothing. If something is a go

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:00:53AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: >[Steve McIntyre] >> There has been some discussion in the last couple of years about >> whether or not Debian should distribute software that was written by >> developers that we consider to be "hostile". > >In my opinion, the cu

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 10 September 2009, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > It is useful not only for Debian, so IMHO Debian could donate some > money, but only if other big distributions (RedHat, SuSe/Novel, Ubuntu, > etc.) do the same. Even then not IMO. Those other distributions are commercial, Debian is not

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Frans Pop] b Gnash. Petter is very keen on this, but I'm not so sure. Don't they have other ways to get funding? Thoughts? I don't think Debian as a project should sponsor upstream development. That's up to individual DDs. A working free software implemen

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Frans Pop] >> 6 Fund other related projects >> >>a Debian Edu. Clearly good for us to do - heavily linked with >> Debian. > > Not sure about that. IMO it's up to the schools and governmental > institutions that use Debian Edu to sponsor that. However, I have > no problem with Debian sp

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Frans Pop wrote: > On Thursday 10 September 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > 5 Pay people to do stuff we don't/can't/won't: > > g website redesign and restructuring >This is something we seem unable to make any progress at and that >is very much overdue. Especially the restruc

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 10 September 2009, Frans Pop wrote: > >  6 Fund other related projects > > > >    b Gnash. Petter is very keen on this, but I'm not so sure. Don't > >      they have other ways to get funding? Thoughts? > > I don't think Debian as a project should sponsor upstream development. > That's

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2009-09-10, Frans Pop wrote: > On Thursday 10 September 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> 5 Pay people to do stuff we don't/can't/won't: > > g website redesign and restructuring >This is something we seem unable to make any progress at and that >is very much overdue. Especial

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Steve McIntyre writes: > 4 Marketing stuff: >a box(es) of equipment to take to stands at various shows and > expos. Might be useful, but could be expensive. Where do we store > it/them? Who organises shipping? I think this is something which we should pursue. I generally have the i

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Julien Cristau
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 00:12:18 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Thoughts? > I'm very much in favour of something like this. Debian is better off without schilyware imo. Cheers, Julien -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 10 September 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote: > 5 Pay people to do stuff we don't/can't/won't: g website redesign and restructuring This is something we seem unable to make any progress at and that is very much overdue. Especially the restructuring part would invo

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Mauro Lizaur
2009-09-10, Steve McIntyre: > Hi folks, > > Suggestions and comments from others > > [...] > > 6 Fund other related projects > >a Debian Edu. Clearly good for us to do - heavily linked with > Debian. > I think that this could be really intere

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Steve McIntyre wrote: 1 New hardware / equipment a The DSA team have a wishlist of new hardware they'd like, along with a set of donated machines that need configuring and/or shipping. As far as I'm concerned, so long as the individual requests here look reasonable then they

Re: Debian money

2009-09-10 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 10 septembre 2009 à 00:57 +0100, Steve McIntyre a écrit : > 1 New hardware / equipment > >a The DSA team have a wishlist of new hardware they'd like […] Full ack. Hardware is not that expensive, lack of hardware should not hold back any of our development. > b Maintainers of big pa

Re: Debian money, booth on german church meeting

2009-09-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:52:37AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > > It seems to me that these consulting businesses would be good > > addresses to ask for sponsorship of a Debian/GNU/Linux booth if there > > is no way getting a free booth for a charitable association such as > > the Debian Project

Re: Distributing software written by hostile upstream developers

2009-09-10 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Steve McIntyre] > There has been some discussion in the last couple of years about > whether or not Debian should distribute software that was written by > developers that we consider to be "hostile". In my opinion, the current recommendation in the developer references is enough for now: If

Re: Debian money, booth on german church meeting

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Martin Schulze wrote: > Thomas Koch wrote: > > > Thomas Koch wrote: > > > > There's a german association, "Linux user in der Kirche"[1] (Linux user > > > > in the church), which plans to organize a booth on the next big meeting > > > > of the german church in 2010. > > > > They aim is to promote th

Re: Debian money, booth on german church meeting

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Thomas Koch wrote: > > Thomas Koch wrote: > > > There's a german association, "Linux user in der Kirche"[1] (Linux user > > > in the church), which plans to organize a booth on the next big meeting > > > of the german church in 2010. > > > They aim is to promote the usage of linux in the administra

Re: Debian money, booth on german church meeting

2009-09-10 Thread Thomas Koch
> Thomas Koch wrote: > > There's a german association, "Linux user in der Kirche"[1] (Linux user > > in the church), which plans to organize a booth on the next big meeting > > of the german church in 2010. > > They aim is to promote the usage of linux in the administrations of > > church communiti

Re: Debian money, booth on german church meeting

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Schulze
Thomas Koch wrote: > There's a german association, "Linux user in der Kirche"[1] (Linux user in > the > church), which plans to organize a booth on the next big meeting of the > german > church in 2010. > They aim is to promote the usage of linux in the administrations of church > communities