Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-25 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Cyril Brulebois wrote: > Bernd Zeimetz (26/07/2009): >> See above. Also: There're a lot of teams where outsiders can help and >> earn trust without being able to break things. > > Do you mean people like Simon Paillard? With contributions in l10n, > i18n, www, and mirror domains? Yes. -- Bern

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-25 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Bernd Zeimetz (26/07/2009): > See above. Also: There're a lot of teams where outsiders can help and > earn trust without being able to break things. Do you mean people like Simon Paillard? With contributions in l10n, i18n, www, and mirror domains? If you didn't, I (at the very least) do. Mraw,

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-25 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Steve Langasek wrote: >> The infrastructure is essential for our distribution, same for >> documentations an translations. I can't see a reason why such people >> should not be able to become DDs. > > Because it implies a professional "priest caste" separate from the > developers who will inevitab

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-25 Thread Lars Wirzenius
la, 2009-07-25 kello 09:16 -0500, Manoj Srivastava kirjoitti: > You are making the assumption that the authors reaction to "Bad" > is less negative than the reaction to "Silly". While this is > subjective, I do not think it is without contention: My hasty re-wording has now given the wro

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 05:34:19PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:52:11PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > >> But I know that there are/will be DDs which do infrastructure stuff only, > >> and > >> rarely upload packages. Such DDs should never be re

Re: US embargo restrictions for Debian?

2009-07-25 Thread Steve Langasek
Hello, On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 01:00:52PM +0200, Ola Sandbu wrote: > I see that Debian is a US registered organization, and then have to obey the > laws for that country. > The reason for my question is because I could not find any information > related to United States embargo regulations at the

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, Jul 25 2009, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > For example, in the specific case under discussion, the criticism might > have been expressed something like this instead: > > I think this is a bad idea. It creates extra work for > developers You are making the assumption tha

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-25 Thread Lars Wirzenius
la, 2009-07-25 kello 23:12 +1000, Ben Finney kirjoitti: > If what remains is an attack upon an *idea*, so be it; ideas don't have > feelings and are not automatically deserving of respect or politeness. > “This is a silly idea” attacks no-one and is impolite to no-one. Let > those who support the i

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-25 Thread Ben Finney
MJ Ray writes: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Calling a daft idea silly is being rude now? > > Not necessarily (it depends how one phrases it), but being rude is one > way of being "not overly genteel" (as the earlier message advocated). > I feel one shouldn't discourage politeness here.

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-25 Thread MJ Ray
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Fri, Jul 24 2009, MJ Ray wrote: > > [...] the project should remain polite even in the > > face of really daft ideas (like the 3017th report that our website CSS > > is invalid just because the W3C validator is incomplete). > > Calling a daft idea silly is bein