On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On the other hand, a single social committee provides for a body which will
> be by and large neutral towards all lists (it will apply the same reasoning
> towards all).
... if the committee isn't too big. I don't expect "early warnings" to be
approved by
On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 05:12:51PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 08:54:51PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > The Debian Social Contract 1.0 was ratified on July 5, 1997. That's ten
> > years ago, about ten days from now. Anybody else interested in
> > celebrating this a bit
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:12:51 -0700
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 08:54:51PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > The Debian Social Contract 1.0 was ratified on July 5, 1997. That's
> > ten years ago, about ten days from now. Anybody else interested in
> > celebrat
On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 08:54:51PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> The Debian Social Contract 1.0 was ratified on July 5, 1997. That's ten
> years ago, about ten days from now. Anybody else interested in
> celebrating this a bit? What would be an appropriate way?
By spending the day arguing about w
On Tuesday 26 June 2007 15:33, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
> After a decision is made I think it's less problematic to make the
> discussion available to all DDs. But still there is the problem, that
> offending behaviour would be exposed to all DDs.
The committee's deliberations should be solely base
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
> I think that the internal discussions should be kept private to the
> soc-ctte at least as long as no decision is made. As decisions made
> by the comitee will probably quite often involve social behaviour of
> DDs I think it's problematic if all DDs c
On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 05:19:27PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 09:19:46AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>
> > The biggest decisions need to be publicly documented however. I don't
> > think we've clearly drawn the line here. I'm also unsure if it's important
> > to have a c
The Debian Social Contract 1.0 was ratified on July 5, 1997. That's ten
years ago, about ten days from now. Anybody else interested in
celebrating this a bit? What would be an appropriate way?
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Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Sure, there is hopefully no problem to find a replacement. My point was
>> that we should explicitely name those positions who should not be a member
>> of the soc-ctte.
>
> Okay.
>
> Interestingly enough, we don't have similar provisions in the constitut
On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 10:48:51AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> I feel we're really missing most sorely list-admin teams who will take
> care of the social fabric of one list each and are empowered to make
> limited short-term changes to preserve it, including updating the list
> info pages and small pos
On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 10:44:28AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> even if I'm not perfectly decided whether it might be just practical
> because I doubt that there will be enough cronies in the group of
> volunteers.
Like with the cabal - it's not a matter of if they will be there, but
a matter of
On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 05:19:27PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
>On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 09:19:46AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>> > * The communication of soc-ctte members with people about their
>> > behaviour which might eventually become a matter of committee
>> > deliberation should b
On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 09:19:46AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > * The communication of soc-ctte members with people about their
> > behaviour which might eventually become a matter of committee
> > deliberation should be kept reasonably private, to prevent
> > unnecessary escalat
debian-project: He is asking for information regarding Debian
accessibility for the visually impaired, and I'm sending him to
debian-italian.
Em Ter, 2007-06-26 às 16:29 +0200, Claudio Gianelle escreveu:
> Vorrei sapere se esiste una versione linux per ipovedenti e non
> vedenti.Grazie.
Purtroppo
Vorrei sapere se esiste una versione linux per ipovedenti e non
vedenti.Grazie.
Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, MJ Ray wrote:
> > If it's all voting-derived, how can we assure there will be any
> > debian-minority views represented on soc-ctte at any time?
>
> What exact minority do you have in mind?
No particular one, but including: racial or
Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> What is the difference between 'a list admin' and 'a small list admin
> team' in this situation?
Nothing, really, I just believe in teams in volunteer work, because
then it's more likely that somebody in the team has the time and the
energy to do what's nee
On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 01:02:53PM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
> MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I feel we're really missing most sorely list-admin teams who will take
> > care of the social fabric of one list each and are empowered to make
> > limited short-term changes to preserve it, incl
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I feel we're really missing most sorely list-admin teams who will take
> care of the social fabric of one list each and are empowered to make
> limited short-term changes to preserve it, including updating the list
> info pages and small posting bans. We should
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, MJ Ray wrote:
If it's all voting-derived, how can we assure there will be any
debian-minority views represented on soc-ctte at any time?
What exact minority do you have in mind?
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Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...]
> I was happy to note that there wasn't really any discussion as to whether
> there should be such a thing - the implicit consensus was that we do need
> something, it's just that we need to figure out exactly what and how.
Something is needed, but I'm
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, Josip Rodin wrote:
I have an issue with the leader deciding on the composition of the
committee, in general. I think it could easily create the impression
that they are his cronies, and we have to avoid that.
You are right here - I just wanted to enhance the suggestion abo
On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 09:15:25AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> > * Someone proposed that the leader makes the initial list of members which
> > would then be voted upon, not sure; I would maintain my position that
> > people should be nominating themselves, rather than the leader naming
> >
Hi,
(you could have started a new thread :-))
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, Josip Rodin wrote:
> * The initial social committee will have to combine two aspects - one is
> the need to have a body that would judge on disputes (this would be the
> committee as such), and the other is the need to h
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, Josip Rodin wrote:
Ian said he'll send over his notes, but I'm impatient so I'll have a go :)
Thanks for your impatience. :)
The issues that were touched included:
I found quite similar things in my private log - hoping to review the
recording later to sort out missing
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