Jury (was Re: Two GR concepts for dicussion)

2007-05-31 Thread Philippe Cloutier
Hey, why not? A third idea: instead of having delegates or a committee or whatever to decide amongst disputes, how about randomly selecting a jury from DDs and having their word (on who's right, on what punishment is plausible) be absolutely final, with no appeal, ever? I don't like it at first r

Re: Debian Maintainers

2007-05-31 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On jeu, 2007-05-31 at 17:19 +0100, Matthew Johnson wrote: > How about improving the NM application process so that people don't > have > to spend 4 months waiting for an AM[1,2,3,4], or to have their > accounts > created [5,6,7,8], or to be approved by FD[6,7]. Is it really in "the NM application

Re: Debian Maintainers

2007-05-31 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 05:19:43PM +0100, Matthew Johnson wrote: > How about improving the NM application process so that people don't have > to spend 4 months waiting for an AM[1,2,3,4], or to have their accounts > created [5,6,7,8], or to be approved by FD[6,7]. Then there might not be > such a

Re: Debian Maintainers

2007-05-31 Thread Matthew Garrett
Matthew Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How about improving the NM application process so that people don't have > to spend 4 months waiting for an AM[1,2,3,4], or to have their accounts > created [5,6,7,8], or to be approved by FD[6,7]. Then there might not be > such a need for the DM concep

Re: Debian Maintainers

2007-05-31 Thread Matthew Johnson
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > [-- text/plain, encoding quoted-printable, charset: iso-8859-1, 49 > lines --] > > On Thursday 31 May 2007, Simon Huggins wrote: >> On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 06:37:53PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: >> > First, the "Debian Maintainers" concept >> > [..] >> >

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Re: Debian Maintainers oup

2007-05-31 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Thursday 31 May 2007, Simon Huggins wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 06:37:53PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > First, the "Debian Maintainers" concept > > [..] > > I think the process should involve: > > - automated application process > > This shouldn't be tricky. > Some webpage where the

Debian Maintainers

2007-05-31 Thread Simon Huggins
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 06:37:53PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > First, the "Debian Maintainers" concept > [..] > I think the process should involve: > - automated application process This shouldn't be tricky. Some webpage where the applicant applies and then they point some developers at a

Re: Two GR concepts for dicussion

2007-05-31 Thread MJ Ray
Kalle Kivimaa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let me elaborate. Let's say that [A] insulted [B] publicly on some > Debian mailing list. [A] of course would be responsible, and [B] could > sue [A] in a Finnish court (and maybe even in some foreign court, too, > but you would not get me to appear there)

Re: Two GR concepts for dicussion

2007-05-31 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > IANAL, but I understand that jurisdiction depends on who, what and > where is involved. This project is a project of some organisations > and they could be taken to court. Various people work on it and they > could be taken to court if they were involved. Yes,

Re: Two GR concepts for dicussion

2007-05-31 Thread MJ Ray
Kalle Kivimaa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm intrigued. Considering that Debian Project is a non-legal, > multinational entity, which courts would have what jurisdiction over > which actions? IANAL, but I understand that jurisdiction depends on who, what and where is involved. This project is a

Re: Two GR concepts for dicussion

2007-05-31 Thread Sven Luther
[Resent to d-project by Cord Beermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 06:37:53PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > Hey, why not? A third idea: instead of having delegates or a committee > or whatever to decide amongst disputes, how about randomly selecting a > jury from DDs and having the

Re: Two GR concepts for dicussion

2007-05-31 Thread Simon Huggins
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 06:37:53PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > First, the "Debian Maintainers" concept [..] > My best summary of Joerg's objections are: [..] > - it's taking over some of the DAM role (in principle if not > precisely in practice) so should be done with DAM's approval

Re: Two GR concepts for dicussion

2007-05-31 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > appeal route (an undo GR?) within the project and realise that if we > go barking mad, there is *always* a possibility of Real-Life courts. I'm intrigued. Considering that Debian Project is a non-legal, multinational entity, which courts would have what jurisdi

Re: Two GR concepts for dicussion

2007-05-31 Thread MJ Ray
Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > First, the "Debian Maintainers" concept, ie giving limited upload access > to people prior to, or instead of, them becoming developers. [...] I support this idea. One question: how to remove bad or MIA DMs? > My idea was to have an annual round where an

Two GR concepts for dicussion

2007-05-31 Thread Anthony Towns
Hey all, As a slight distraction from other discussions going on, I'd like to throw a couple of ideas out there for consideration, particularly with debconf coming up and a chance for many of us to discuss things in person. First, the "Debian Maintainers" concept, ie giving limited upload access