Re: (Debian's Two Choices) The influx of women and the outflux of men. The end of debian as a distro and it's emergance as a women's rights pulpit.

2006-06-11 Thread MJ Ray
Debian women terminate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > A man who contributes to debian should not be kicked > out of debian because he is against women's rights, > feminism, or debian-women. No man ever has been. Your message contains factual inaccuracies. Please check before sending. Stop posting waffly r

Re: The influx of women and the outflux of men. The end of debian as a distro and it's emergance as a women's rights pulpit.

2006-06-11 Thread MJ Ray
Henning Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Scripsit MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Do you think it's fine to ignore good advice on dealing with > > disruptive behaviour just because the target is debian-women? > > It is not, so why do you ignore the good standard advice of not > feeding the troll? Not

Re: (Debian's Two Choices) The influx of women and the outflux of men. The end of debian as a distro and it's emergance as a women's rights pulpit.

2006-06-11 Thread MJ Ray
[-women and other direct recipients dropped as before.] Debian women terminate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I have both identified specific occurances (the > booting of Johnathan in-part because he is against > debian-women [...] That wasn't for being against d-w, but for actions over d-w. Your message

Re: Dealing with trolling

2006-06-11 Thread MJ Ray
Filipus Klutiero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MJR: > >Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Please stop dignifying this waste of flesh by holding a conversation with > >> him. > > > >Do you think it's fine to ignore good advice on dealing with > >disruptive behaviour just because the target is de

Re: (Debian's Two Choices) The influx of women and the outflux of men. The end of debian as a distro and it's emergance as a women's rights pulpit.

2006-06-11 Thread MJ Ray
Debian women terminate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > First they mock you. (He's insane) > Then they fight you. (Let's throw him in jail for hate > speech). > Then either debian dies or you win. If you think you'll win, why have you neither suggested any real changes nor got your supporters to start debian

Re: Donations

2006-06-11 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > Why not just trust the DPL to be reasonable? The language is them > much simpler, too. Just to even avoid having to have a reasonable DPL,[1] we could also require that changes to the list of organisations that are authorized to hold Debian's assets

Re: Donations

2006-06-11 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Wouter Verhelst wrote: > The point of the exercise is to avoid having so many organizations and > so many bank accounts that we would need three professional accountants > just to keep track. Perhaps I should have worded it as 'no more than one > such organization shall be active per country'; [...

Re: (Debian's Two Choices) The influx of women and the outflux of men. The end of debian as a distro and it's emergance as a women's rights pulpit.

2006-06-11 Thread Debian women terminate
Insanity: being opposed to feminism.. Troll: being opposed to feminism. I proudly use debian as my dictionary! First they mock you. (He's insane) Then they fight you. (Let's throw him in jail for hate speech). Then either debian dies or you win. --- George Danchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > O

Re: (Debian's Two Choices) The influx of women and the outflux of men. The end of debian as a distro and it's emergance as a women's rights pulpit.

2006-06-11 Thread George Danchev
On Sunday 11 June 2006 21:50, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > You are crazy, and should get yourself some professional psychiatric > counceling. I fully agree that this creature [1] has some kind of mental problems, thus trying to keep any sort of normal conversaton with such sort of interlocutors is d

Dealing with trolling

2006-06-11 Thread Filipus Klutiero
MJR: Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Please stop dignifying this waste of flesh by holding a conversation with him. Do you think it's fine to ignore good advice on dealing with disruptive behaviour just because the target is debian-women? *Shrug* The reason people ignore the thread ope

Re: Donations

2006-06-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 11 Jun 2006, Martin Wuertele stated: ] Since Debian has no authority to hold money or property, any ] donations for the Debian Project must be made to any ] one of a set of organizations designated by the Project leader } or a delegate to be authorized to handle such thi

Re: (Debian's Two Choices) The influx of women and the outflux of men. The end of debian as a distro and it's emergance as a women's rights pulpit.

2006-06-11 Thread Nathalie Casati
And what about you ? Don't you hate women ? You know, if what you are saying were the mind of a majority, you should not need to hide your name from us. If you do so, it's only because deep inside of you, you feel what you do is not really good. Man! It seems you are AFRAID of us, women. O

Re: (Debian's Two Choices) The influx of women and the outflux of men. The end of debian as a distro and it's emergance as a women's rights pulpit.

2006-06-11 Thread Debian women terminate
Why is it critical? Free software existed without women from it's inception. WHY IS IT CRITICAL YOU DAMNED-TO-HELL WOMAN WORSHIPING FAGGOT? Free software cannot exist without men, it can and always has existed without women. You and other free software projects are driving men away and your projec

Re: (Debian's Two Choices) The influx of women and the outflux of men. The end of debian as a distro and it's emergance as a women's rights pulpit.

2006-06-11 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Get a life. No, really. Get yourself a family, and start thinking about > the real important matters. > > Though I'll hope for your own sake that you're gay, because I don't > think you'll be able to find a girlfriend with an attitude like that. Are y

Re: (Debian's Two Choices) The influx of women and the outflux of men. The end of debian as a distro and it's emergance as a women's rights pulpit.

2006-06-11 Thread Debian women terminate
A man who contributes to debian should not be kicked out of debian because he is against women's rights, feminism, or debian-women. WHY are you pandering to feminism? WHY do you HATE men who are against feminism? If this is what the opensource community is turning into I pray that it falls apart

Re: (Debian's Two Choices) The influx of women and the outflux of men. The end of debian as a distro and it's emergance as a women's rights pulpit.

2006-06-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
You are crazy, and should get yourself some professional psychiatric counceling. Woman make up 50% of the world population. If you think they are unimportant enough to be ignored and to be the target of such sexist hate mail, then I sincerely hope you will be smart enough to find yourself a bucket

Re: Donations

2006-06-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 12:40:39PM +0100, Floris Bruynooghe wrote: > On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 10:31:28AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > [...] > > After all, you don't need such an organization in _every_ > > country; there are a number of countries that have treaties which make > > monetary transac

Re: (Debian's Two Choices) The influx of women blah bla blah

2006-06-11 Thread Debian women terminate
Deb is from the founder's girlfriend's name. Ian is from the founder's name. Mrs Deb, however, is not a debian developer, she is just a name who has cut no code and has not given debian anything. Did you notice how a man decided to steal part of a woman's name to name his project. It was a man's

Re: (Debian's Two Choices) The influx of women and the outflux of men. The end of debian as a distro and it's emergance as a women's rights pulpit.

2006-06-11 Thread Debian women terminate
Some people are "neatly centered" between the beliefs of Stalin and Mao, this doesn not make their beliefs right nor does it make their beliefs good for debian, nor should men who do not agree with those "neatly centered" beliefs be booted out of the project or censored as is happening in the curre

Re: (Debian's Two Choices) The influx of women and the outflux of men. The end of debian as a distro and it's emergance as a women's rights pulpit.

2006-06-11 Thread ntdw ntdw
MJ Ray: Just because a man disagrees with your feminist women revering world view does not mean he is raising his objection just to blindly anger people. Debian has two choices: continue promoting feminism and women's rights, chastising men who do not believe in these things, and all around make d

Re: (Debian's Two Choices) The influx of women and the outflux of men. The end of debian as a distro and it's emergance as a women's rights pulpit.

2006-06-11 Thread MJ Ray
[debian-women and most named people trimmed. I believe it's not wanted there.] Debian women terminate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MJ Ray: Just because a man disagrees with your > feminist women revering world view does not mean he is > raising his objection just to blindly anger people. > > De

Re: Donations

2006-06-11 Thread Martin Wuertele
Hi Manoj! * Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-06-11 15:37]: > Hi, > > How about simplifying the strictures in the constitution to > something like this: > > ] Since Debian has no authority to hold money or property, any > ] monetary donations for the Debian Project mus

Re: (Debian's Two Choices) The influx of women and the outflux of men. The end of debian as a distro and it's emergance as a women's rights pulpit.

2006-06-11 Thread Debian women terminate
MJ Ray: Just because a man disagrees with your feminist women revering world view does not mean he is raising his objection just to blindly anger people. Debian has two choices: continue promoting feminism and women's rights, chastising men who do not believe in these things, and all around make d

Re: Donations

2006-06-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, How about simplifying the strictures in the constitution to something like this: ] Since Debian has no authority to hold money or property, any ] monetary donations for the Debian Project must be made to any ] one of a set of organizations designated by the DPL to b

Re: The influx of women and the outflux of men. The end of debian as a distro and it's emergance as a women's rights pulpit.

2006-06-11 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Please stop dignifying this waste of flesh by holding a conversation with >> him. > Do you think it's fine to ignore good advice on dealing with > disruptive behaviour just because the target is debian-women? It is not,

Re: Donations

2006-06-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 02:18:43PM +0200, Sylvain Sauvage wrote: > Dimanche 11 juin 2006, 13:47:18 CEST, Sven Luther a écrit : > >[...] > > There was also talk of an EU regulation, which said that if an > > association had tax-exemption in one of the EU countries, then this tax > > exemption would

Re: Donations

2006-06-11 Thread Sylvain Sauvage
Dimanche 11 juin 2006, 13:47:18 CEST, Sven Luther a écrit : >[...] > There was also talk of an EU regulation, which said that if an > association had tax-exemption in one of the EU countries, then this tax > exemption would be valid in other countries of the EU too. If this is > verified, it would

Re: Donations

2006-06-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 12:40:39PM +0100, Floris Bruynooghe wrote: > On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 10:31:28AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > [...] > > After all, you don't need such an organization in _every_ > > country; there are a number of countries that have treaties which make > > monetary transac

Re: Donations

2006-06-11 Thread Floris Bruynooghe
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 10:31:28AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: [...] > After all, you don't need such an organization in _every_ > country; there are a number of countries that have treaties which make > monetary transactions between them cheap (e.g., the EU). s/EU/countries using the euro/ but

Re: Donations

2006-06-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 10:31:43AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 09:59:19AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > Just for clarity, I'm not going to support maintaining a list as part of > > the constitution; such a list should be outside of it. > > Notice that there was a preced

Re: Donations

2006-06-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 09:59:19AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Just for clarity, I'm not going to support maintaining a list as part of > the constitution; such a list should be outside of it. Notice that there was a precedent, in the list of fundation documents, which is separate from the con

Re: Donations

2006-06-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 07:27:04AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Perhaps a formulation like > > > > Since Debian has no authority to hold money or property, any > > monetary donations for the Debian Project must be made to an > > organization that has

Re: Donations

2006-06-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 03:35:26PM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > Hello Wouter, > On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 12:45 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > Perhaps a formulation like > > > > Since Debian has no authority to hold money or property, any > > monetary donations for the Debian Project mu

Re: Donations

2006-06-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 02:39:45PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > This should refer to another text listing the vetted organizations. > One outside the constitution so it can be changed as needed. That's usually bad practice in a constitution. You want to change the constitution if the Debia