Re: Honesty in Debian (was Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-14 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 08:37:25PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 01:52:06PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > In reality, Debian used to allow "non-free non-programs" in Debian -- but > > it > > did so while issuing a Social Contract which said that Debian didn't allow >

Re: Honesty in Debian (was Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-14 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 07:52:41PM -0700, Hubert Chan wrote: > Just out of curiosity, what licenses do we currently have in Debian that > use the patch exemption? As far as I know, not many, which is why it seems like it shouldn't be difficult to fix this. Josh Triplett asked this recently[1]; th

Re: Honesty in Debian (was Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-14 Thread Hubert Chan
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:37:25 -0500, Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > So, I don't consider this a serious problem. I'd rather not spend > more time on this. If you manage to convince many people of your > position, more power to you. I'll preserve my energy for a more > serious issue (t

Re: Honesty in Debian (was Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-14 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 01:52:06PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > In reality, Debian used to allow "non-free non-programs" in Debian -- but it > did so while issuing a Social Contract which said that Debian didn't allow > them in. That was untruthful on the part of Debian. Debian did so befor

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Re: Honesty in Debian (was Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-14 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It also seems like an invitation for people to take non-legal invariant > sections, stuff them inside the license, and claiming that they're part > of the text. True. > Currently, this is a judgement call; the GPL's preamble > is allowed, but I hope that

Re: Honesty in Debian (was Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-14 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Yes, in all those cases. But you're missing the point in your rush to > label people as dishonest liars. I really don't want to label people as dishonest liars. I believe that collectively the Debian Project has been misleading its users by providing a Socia

Re: Honesty in Debian (was Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-14 Thread Nathanael Nerode
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 01:46:14PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: >Nobody is lying. A "lie" is an untruth made with the intent to deceive. OK, conceded. Debian is being untruthful. There, happier? I don't particularly claim that there is an intent to deceive, but th

Re: Honesty in Debian (was Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-14 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 14 February 2006 00:49, Sven Luther wrote: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 11:43:27PM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 03:54:23PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > No, like chosing ati over nvidia for graphic cards, or silicon image > > > over others for SATA cards. > > > >

Re: Honesty in Debian (was Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-14 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 11:43:27PM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 03:54:23PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > No, like chosing ati over nvidia for graphic cards, or silicon image over > > others for SATA cards. > > Wait a minute, did I miss a memo? ATI isn't the devil anymore?

Re: Honesty in Debian (was Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-14 Thread Adam McKenna
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 03:54:23PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > No, like chosing ati over nvidia for graphic cards, or silicon image over > others for SATA cards. Wait a minute, did I miss a memo? ATI isn't the devil anymore? --Adam -- Adam McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --