On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 11:53:47AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> martin f krafft wrote:
> >Maybe we should tabulate most commonly bashed roles and see if there
> >is a correlation with inavailability of information?
>
> What would be the point? That would tell us nothing about causation,
> which
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
On 17-02-2005 02:43, Anthony Towns wrote:
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Here is a fresh non-APT non-hostile thread. Please respond...
Dude, if a new thread was enough to avoid folks deciding that it'd be
fun to randomly throw in insults and other distractions, I'd've started
my ow
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On 17-02-2005 02:43, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
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>> On 17-02-2005 00:25, Anthony Towns wrote:
>>
>>> Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>>
I am not your boss, but I am (too) interested in understanding why the
tasks of the ftpmast
martin f krafft wrote:
Maybe we should tabulate most commonly bashed roles and see if there
is a correlation with inavailability of information?
What would be the point? That would tell us nothing about causation,
which is the question at issue.
Regards,
aj
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martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Anthony Towns [2005.02.17.0025 +0100]:
Honestly, I'd love to talk about these sorts of things more
publically;
Why have you not done so in the past?
Why haven't you stopped beating your wife?
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2002/06/msg2.html
res
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
On 17-02-2005 00:25, Anthony Towns wrote:
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
I am not your boss, but I am (too) interested in understanding why the
tasks of the ftpmaster role seems to be moving slow.
Honestly, I'd love to talk about these sorts of things more publically;
but I'm not w
also sprach Anthony Towns [2005.02.17.0028 +0100]:
> It was suppposed to be about "APT 0.6", which has absolutely
> *nothing* to do with ftpmasters. It's amazing how quickly
> discussions in Debian can devolve into role bashing.
Yes. I take full responsibility and apologise.
If you'd ask me abou
also sprach Anthony Towns [2005.02.17.0036 +0100]:
> No, it does not. You have a debian.org address; presumably you read the
> constitution as part of that. Please see 2.1.1:
shall i scream "insult" now?
> 1. Nothing in this constitution imposes an obligation on anyone to
>do work f
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On 17-02-2005 00:25, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>
>> I am not your boss, but I am (too) interested in understanding why the
>> tasks of the ftpmaster role seems to be moving slow.
>
>
> Honestly, I'd love to talk about these sort
also sprach Anthony Towns [2005.02.17.0025 +0100]:
> Honestly, I'd love to talk about these sorts of things more
> publically;
Why have you not done so in the past?
> but I'm not willing to do that in an environment that's actively
> hostile.
The stage is yours. The thread is another. I am calm
martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Anthony Towns [2005.02.16.1703 +0100]:
Or, wait, perhaps you aren't my boss, and you've got absolutely no
business demanding that I account for my time?
Doesn't the position of a delegate bear a certain amount of
responsibility and duties, which you willingly acc
martin f krafft wrote:
also sprach Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.16.2334 +0100]:
When have you ever seen Martin F. Krafft gratuitously insult anyone?
Well, almost everytime i read one of his posts to the lists.
I'll refrain from gratuitously insulting you.
This thread is not a
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
I am not your boss, but I am (too) interested in understanding why the
tasks of the ftpmaster role seems to be moving slow.
Honestly, I'd love to talk about these sorts of things more publically;
but I'm not willing to do that in an environment that's actively hostile.
Che
also sprach Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.16.2334 +0100]:
> > When have you ever seen Martin F. Krafft gratuitously insult anyone?
>
> Well, almost everytime i read one of his posts to the lists.
I'll refrain from gratuitously insulting you.
This thread is not about me nor
On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 06:06:59PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> I will apologise for every single insult I have spoken iff you
> pinpoint it as being an insult and not a statement of fact.
> I find it hard to imagine that a delegate is someone who's
> been given a carte blanche, and earplugs
On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 02:03:04AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> martin f krafft wrote:
>
> > If you are not busy with sarge, tell us what you are doing for
> > Debian that makes you have no time for the above tasks!
>
> My apologies, Sir, it appears I must have mislaid my employment
> contract;
"Thaddeus H. Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> When have you ever seen Martin F. Krafft gratuitously insult anyone?
Well, almost everytime i read one of his posts to the lists.
Marc
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martin f krafft asks,
> Obviously, for reasons unknown to the mere mortals,
> the above only applies to topics of the mere mortals
> of Debian, not to certain members of the cabal. Some
> vital components of the Debian project are better kept
> away from the public, or they could be flooded with
>
On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 04:28:05PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> I described the situation as perceived by numerous (if not most)
> developers. If it is an insult to you, maybe you are doing something
> wrong?
You know, it would probably have been possible to talk about openness in
apt developm
also sprach Anthony Towns [2005.02.16.1703 +0100]:
> Or, wait, perhaps you aren't my boss, and you've got absolutely no
> business demanding that I account for my time?
Doesn't the position of a delegate bear a certain amount of
responsibility and duties, which you willingly accepted as part of
t
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On 16-02-2005 17:03, Anthony Towns wrote:
> martin f krafft wrote:
>
>> If you are not busy with sarge, tell us what you are doing for
>> Debian that makes you have no time for the above tasks!
>
> My apologies, Sir, it appears I must have mislaid my
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 February 2005 09:45 am, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > You can probably work with package tags to do so after some configuration
> > to tag-based aptitude, I think. As long as that config ain't the default,
> > there is no proble
On Wednesday 16 February 2005 09:45 am, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> You can probably work with package tags to do so after some configuration
> to tag-based aptitude, I think. As long as that config ain't the default,
> there is no problem.
Not if you've removed all software that's bro
martin f krafft wrote:
> If you are not busy with sarge, tell us what you are doing for
> Debian that makes you have no time for the above tasks!
My apologies, Sir, it appears I must have mislaid my employment
contract; I wonder if I might perchance obtain a new copy? It also seems
that my salary
On Wednesday 16 February 2005 20:04, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> You will not be using apt-get anymore. Nor dselect. Your choices are
> aptitude (from experimental) and synaptic (which might not have the tags
> support yet, I wouldn't know).
Understood, I will wait then.
As for apt-get,
also sprach Anthony Towns [2005.02.16.1541 +0100]:
> Yes. If we weren't we might wake up one day and mistakenly think
> it might be possible to have discussions on Debian lists that
> didn't involve gratuitous insults.
I described the situation as perceived by numerous (if not most)
developers. I
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote:
> I am not familiar with tags. What will happen if I type: apt-get install mc ?
You will not be using apt-get anymore. Nor dselect. Your choices are
aptitude (from experimental) and synaptic (which might not have the tags
support yet, I wouldn't kn
On Wednesday 16 February 2005 19:45, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote:
> > Hereby I propose to solve this problem by creating a new dummy package
> > called "utf8" that just conflicts with software broken in UTF-8 locales.
> > Also the "locales"
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote:
> Hereby I propose to solve this problem by creating a new dummy package called
> "utf8" that just conflicts with software broken in UTF-8 locales. Also the
> "locales" package should tell the user that the "utf8" package exists.
Or package tags.
martin f krafft wrote:
Obviously, for reasons unknown to the mere mortals, the above only
applies to topics of the mere mortals of Debian, not to certain
members of the cabal. Some vital components of the Debian project
are better kept away from the public, or they could be flooded with
opinions or
It's a fact that some programs don't work in UTF-8 locales, and never will.
Also I think you agree that removing such programs from Debian isn't an
option because it would hurt non-UTF-8 users.
However, my point is that just changing the default locale encoding without
additional steps is also
also sprach martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.15.1101 +0100]:
> > I'd rather have this discussion on debian-devel or debian-dpkg
> > since that's a logical place where more people are able to get
> > involved and find the archive much easier than a strangely named
> > list on the mad duc
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