Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-17 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Matthew Garrett wrote: > Recently, we've begun seeing more licenses that are designed to > discourage patent lawsuits. They usually involve something along the > lines of "If you engage in patent action against the licensor, bad > things will happen". > > "Patent action against the licensor" usua

Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 10:05:29AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> The GPL does much the same. If someone distributes GPLed software >> without complying with section 3 (which gives you various ways in which >> you have to make source code available to

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-17 Thread Steve Kemp
On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 10:55:33PM +0200, Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: > Yes.The `apt-get install hardened? was an example of something 100% easy > to use :D Unfortunately whilst easy to use is good the idea of rebuilding the packages presented so far isn't going to be easy to setup.

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-17 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: [...] Good, at least you understand that :) |> |>Yes and then the program halts and gets SIGABRT. Do you not know what a |>DoS attack is? |> |>[...] | | | Duty of Shame ? | OK, leaving the Fun Mode off... |

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-17 Thread Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro
Hi John, El sáb, 18-09-2004 a las 00:20, John Richard Moser escribió: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: > > [...] > > Good, at least you understand that :) > > |> > |>Yes and then the program halts and gets SIGABRT. Do you not k

Donation to the Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure

2004-09-17 Thread Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader
I've authorized and asked ffis e.V. (the keeper of Debian money in Europe) to donate 1,000 EUR to the Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure (FFII). FFII supports the development of public information goods based on copyright, free competition, and open standards. Some of their current

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-17 Thread Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro
Hi John! El vie, 17-09-2004 a las 21:51, John Richard Moser escribió: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: > | Hi John, > | > | El vie, 17-09-2004 a las 19:04, John Richard Moser escribió: > | > |>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > |

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-17 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: | Hi John, | | El vie, 17-09-2004 a las 19:04, John Richard Moser escribió: | |>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- |>Hash: SHA1 |> |> |> |>Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: |>| Hi, |>| |> |>[...] |> [...]

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-17 Thread Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro
Hi John, El vie, 17-09-2004 a las 19:04, John Richard Moser escribió: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: > | Hi, > | > > [...] > > | Debian Hardened is like Debian Junior, and the rest of subprojects. > | *We* must provide the best

Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-17 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 10:05:29AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > The GPL does much the same. If someone distributes GPLed software > without complying with section 3 (which gives you various ways in which > you have to make source code available to the recipient), then they lose > the right to us

Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the "Debian" trademark)

2004-09-17 Thread John Richard Moser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro wrote: | Hi, | [...] | Debian Hardened is like Debian Junior, and the rest of subprojects. | *We* must provide the best (and the easiest) way to harden Debian for | advanced users, sysadmins or just people that want

Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Such a clause excludes certain (or more likely undefinded) person > subgroups from the rights all other user get for this software. Not per > default, but after a certain action of the user, but the software > restricts its use to certain person subgr

Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-17 Thread ml
Hi, I do not want to try to decide whether the FSF oder the OSI consider such licenses as free or non-free. I also do not know whether such Clauses are covered by the DFSG. I just want to list a few Reasons why I consider such licenses as strictly non-free and would prefer Debian to consider the s