On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:36:29 -0600
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 09:05:01PM -0600, David Moreno Garza wrote:
> > On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 20:15:25 -0500
> > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Perhaps we need to reconsider our official recognition of
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 11:25:59AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> Anthony Towns writes:
> > So, Helen is kind enough to summarise her views on why she doesn't
> > participate in the project as fully as she might, and she's called a
> > flake, mentally unstable and sexist for her beliefs.
> W
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:02:42 -0500
David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 08:15:25PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > Perhaps we need to reconsider our official recognition of Freenode's
> > #debian as a Project resource.
>
> Well, given that the number of actual Debia
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 22:42:24 -0500
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyway, something we've done for d-i is tried to redirect users who are
> having installation problems specifically with d-i to #debian-boot,
> which is much lower volume, and full of people (though often absent
> hacking/slee
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 08:17:44PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> We also have our fair share of people with an excess of the polar
> opposite of meekness.
really?
i never noticed.
craig
:)
David Nusinow wrote:
> Well, given that the number of actual Debian Developers who hang around
> in there regularly is two (Laurence Lane/ljlane and David Harris/ElectricElf)
> and neither is in
> there that frequently these days in my experience. joshk is there from
> time to time, but I feel lik
Hi Grzegorz,
Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote:
W liście z wto, 02-03-2004, godz. 10:54, Stefan Gybas pisze:
[... cutting out all things that I agree with ... ]
- License conflicts with GPL'ed Java interpreters
Currently Kaffe 1.1.x is the best choice for running Java applications
in Debian. I
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 09:05:01PM -0600, David Moreno Garza wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 20:15:25 -0500
> Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Perhaps we need to reconsider our official recognition of Freenode's
> > #debian as a Project resource.
>
> Couldn't it be a good idea to for
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 20:15:25 -0500
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Perhaps we need to reconsider our official recognition of Freenode's
> #debian as a Project resource.
Couldn't it be a good idea to form a Debian-specific IRC network? I'm
just wondering it, not use FreeNode, but an s
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 12:22:14AM -0500, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
> > My wife also has been involved in Women in Science groups on
> > three separate campuses across the country, and stories and
> > experiences like this abound.
>
> ok. Are there any Men in Science groups we can compare expe
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 08:17:44PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 07:34:11AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > meekness is found in both men and women, and meek men are discouraged from
> > participating in debian (and other groups) just as much as women are. men
> > suffer
Hi all,
Stefan Gybas wrote:
Arnaud and Dalibor gave a talk about packaging Java software which
covered JPackage (http://www.jpackage.org/), Gentoo, FreeBSD and of
course Debian. One goal of this talk was to improve collaboration
between these projects and Red Hat's effort to package Java soft
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 10:04:15AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> You should read the following chapter, that addresses
> particularly your brand of protest:
>
> http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/x28.html#AEN41
>
> Such a wash of illogic from someone n
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 08:15:25PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> Perhaps we need to reconsider our official recognition of Freenode's
> #debian as a Project resource.
Well, given that the number of actual Debian Developers who hang around
in there regularly is two (Laurence Lane/ljlane and Davi
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 07:34:11AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> the situation does not discriminate against women, in particular, it
> discriminates against a particular personality trait - meekness.
>
> meekness is found in both men and women, and meek men are discouraged from
> participating in
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 01:36:39AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 00:22:14 -0500 (EST), Jaldhar H Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> said:
> OK. Last I heard, irc.debian.org #debian is a project
> resource. Here is an example of how women are treated in Debian; and
[...]
>
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 00:22:14 -0500 (EST), Jaldhar H Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
Yes I do. Or rather I think it could be. As anecdotal evidence
mine is as good as yours. Let me ask you then, how would you go
about setting up an experiment to test the hypothesis tha
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 22:52:48 +, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> Why are you, a man, more likely to know what experiences women face
>> than the women themselves?
> Nice demonstration of sexism you have there.
I keep forgetting the level at which I must talk
to. OK. Statements o
On 2004-03-04 21:07:42 + Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Can't you read? That URL points to a number of dicumented
Paging Dr Freud...
incidents
It's one example conversation from Sydney LUG in October 2001. Other
parts of that HOWTO have more detail.
Some parts
> Helen said "women are likely to be not so confident that their skills
> will allow them to survive in an environment like debian, compared to
> their male counterparts". And then, her explanation of what that
> "environment" amounted to, was that it was bullying and condescending
> to women.
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 01:10:08PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> > Helen said "women are likely to be not so confident that their skills
> > will allow them to survive in an environment like debian, compared to
> > their male counterparts". And the
On 04 Mar 2004 11:25:59 -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Anthony Towns writes:
>> So, Helen is kind enough to summarise her views on why she doesn't
>> participate in the project as fully as she might, and she's called
>> a flake, mentally unstable and sexist for her belie
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 01:10:08PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> Helen said "women are likely to be not so confident that their skills
> will allow them to survive in an environment like debian, compared to
> their male counterparts". And then, her explanation of what that
> "environment" a
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 03:07:47PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
> > I agree, though it should be noted that Debian at least tries to be an
> > "equal opportunity" hostile place -- _everyone_ gets abused :)
>
> Not really equally, however -- more visible people tend to get more
> abuse than less visib
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 16:51:28 +, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On 2004-03-04 16:04:15 + Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> You should read the following chapter, that addresses particularly
>> your brand of protest:
>> http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Encourage-Women
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 12:44:22PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> > As I said, "if there is any truth to the notion that men are better at
> > being bullied". I suspect there is not really much truth to that.
>
> Either "men are better at being bul
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 12:44:22PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> As I said, "if there is any truth to the notion that men are better at
> being bullied". I suspect there is not really much truth to that.
Either "men are better at being bullied" a strawman (irrelevant to the
thread), or you
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 06:59:57PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> > I think there's something sexist there--not in you, but in her. If
> > there is any truth to the notion that men are better at being bullied,
> > then I think it is only because men
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 03:41:10PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 12:24:14AM +, Helen Faulkner wrote:
> > Note that this situation existing doesn't mean that there necessarily are
> > hostile/scary/condescending guys about, and it isn't the fault of
> > anyone in particul
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 02:56:37PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
> I agree, though it should be noted that Debian at least tries to be an
> "equal opportunity" hostile place -- _everyone_ gets abused :)
Not really equally, however -- more visible people tend to get more
abuse than less visible people.
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 06:59:57PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> I think there's something sexist there--not in you, but in her. If
> there is any truth to the notion that men are better at being bullied,
> then I think it is only because men get bullied more and have had to
> learn to deal
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 11:23:59AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> Mike Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > "We're a previously persecuted minority, dammit, treat us special, we
> > deserve the land you have worked hard for. even though we sit on our asses."
>
> New Zealand, Australia,
Anthony Towns writes:
> So, Helen is kind enough to summarise her views on why she doesn't
> participate in the project as fully as she might, and she's called a
> flake, mentally unstable and sexist for her beliefs.
Well, she said that she doesn't participate because boys will be mean
to her.
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "hysterical" is actually an interesting word, it basically
>means "having a womb". Psychologists once thought it was something
>women did naturally.
Sort of. They thought it was something that happened to women, and
not men, and was
Mike Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "We're a previously persecuted minority, dammit, treat us special, we
> deserve the land you have worked hard for. even though we sit on our asses."
New Zealand, Australia, Canada, and the United States all have some
similarity vis-a-vis native populatio
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On 2004-03-04 16:04:15 + Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
You should read the following chapter, that addresses
particularly your brand of protest:
http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/x28.html#AEN41
Such a wash of illogic from someone n
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 06:17:20 -0500, Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 11:06:40PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> Indeed. For once I am ashamed to be a member of such a narrow
>> minded, bigoted group.
>>
>> Helen, please accept my apologies; we are not quite g
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 03:41:10PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> To that end, would it make sense to have *additionally* a closed/private
> mailing-list exclusively for women, so they could discuss Debian related
> things and express themselves freely without the fear of potentionally
> being put d
Hello,
I am just informing you that the CCNow web site that you link to sucks.
I ordered Debian cd's 14 days ago by credit card and they still haven't shipped.
I canceled my order but thought I would let someone know the good name CCNow is
making for Debian.
Thank you for your time,
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On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 12:24:14AM +, Helen Faulkner wrote:
> Note that this situation existing doesn't mean that there necessarily are
> hostile/scary/condescending guys about, and it isn't the fault of
> anyone in particular. Blame it on our societies, if you like, or on our
> biology, or wh
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 10:04:09AM +1100, Ben Burton wrote:
> > Vague fears of persecution are a sign of mental instability which can't
> > be fixed by an operating system free or otherwise.
>
> Vague fears?? I don't think it would take either of us very long to
> find examples of rude, dismissal
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Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:57:18 +1000, Anthony Towns said:
[...]
Indeed. For once I am ashamed to be a member of such a narrow
minded, bigoted group.
Helen, please accept my apologies; we are not quite grown up
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 11:06:40PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Indeed. For once I am ashamed to be a member of such a narrow
> minded, bigoted group.
>
> Helen, please accept my apologies; we are not quite grown up
> enough to be able to interact with women yet.
Speak for you
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:57:18 +1000, Anthony Towns
> said:
>
[...]
> Indeed. For once I am ashamed to be a member of such a narrow
> minded, bigoted group.
>
> Helen, please accept my apologies; we are not quite grown up
> enough to
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 00:22:14 -0500 (EST), Jaldhar H Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> Yes I do. Or rather I think it could be. As anecdotal evidence
> mine is as good as yours. Let me ask you then, how would you go
> about setting up an experiment to test the hypothesis that Debian is
> scary t
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Craig Sanders wrote:
> this "We're a minority, we're special" card you mention is used by those who
> feel marginalised or persecuted, i.e. in an inferior social position.
>
> i don't think any of the australians in this forum could be accused of feeling
> that :)
Aren't your
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 00:22:14 -0500 (EST), Jaldhar H Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
>> My wife also has been involved in Women in Science groups on three
>> separate campuses across the country, and stories and experiences
>> like this abound.
> ok. Are there any Men in Science groups we can com
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 01:52:45PM +1300, Mike Beattie wrote:
> Don't get me wrong, it's not just homosexuals that fit into this gripe, it's
> also african-americans, .nz's Maori, various religions, and Australians..
this "We're a minority, we're special" card you mention is used by those who
feel
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