Re: Why "free" shouldn't have to mean "complicated"

2003-05-05 Thread David Nusinow
On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 08:45:12AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > David Nusinow wrote: > > with the new package tags to make it. apt and aptitude/dselect/other > > frontends still need to be patched to work with sublists of packages in > > order to cut things out like web servers for the user. Knop

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Re: Why "free" shouldn't have to mean "complicated"

2003-05-05 Thread Mike Dresser
On Mon, 5 May 2003, Mark Brown wrote: > On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 08:37:39AM +0200, Benoit Peccatte wrote: > > > Do you expect users who don't know anything about linux to product a > > useful bug report ? > > Sure. A useful bug report is one that gives enough information to allow > developers to u

Re: Why "free" shouldn't have to mean "complicated"

2003-05-05 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 08:37:39AM +0200, Benoit Peccatte wrote: > Do you expect users who don't know anything about linux to product a > useful bug report ? Sure. A useful bug report is one that gives enough information to allow developers to understand and reproduce a problem so they can work

Re: Why "free" shouldn't have to mean "complicated"

2003-05-05 Thread Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo
On Sun, May 04, 2003 at 08:35:08PM -0700, David Nusinow wrote: > On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 10:19:40AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 02:17:57AM +0200, Felix Steiner wrote: > > > But in my opinion free software fails if it is only for geeks. Why not try > > > to coordinate dev

Re: Why "free" shouldn't have to mean "complicated"

2003-05-05 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 12:54:07AM +0200, Felix Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Why isn't there a bridge between developer and user, why isn't there a > "debian smart"-distribution for my loved J. S.? Being installed from J. S's > ugly Windows XP GUI in three steps (chosing auto-pa

Re: Why "free" shouldn't have to mean "complicated"

2003-05-05 Thread Benoit Peccatte
Le lun 05/05/2003 à 07:27, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > On 05 May 2003 01:24:18 +0200, Benoit Peccatte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > After such an answer I thing Felix will never come back and try free > > software. > > Good. It seems to me that free software, as embodied by > Debian, w

Re: Why "free" shouldn't have to mean "complicated"

2003-05-05 Thread Martin Schulze
David Nusinow wrote: > On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 10:19:40AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 02:17:57AM +0200, Felix Steiner wrote: > > > But in my opinion free software fails if it is only for geeks. Why not try > > > to coordinate development to make an easier installer? Why

Re: Why "free" shouldn't have to mean "complicated"

2003-05-05 Thread Benoit Peccatte
Le lun 05/05/2003 à 02:08, Matt Zimmerman a écrit : > On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 01:24:18AM +0200, Benoit Peccatte wrote: > > > After such an answer I thing Felix will never come back and try free > > software. Not that your answer was not correct, it was. But he complains > > about things not workin

Re: Why "free" shouldn't have to mean "complicated"

2003-05-05 Thread Martin Schulze
Moin! Felix Steiner wrote: > In the past weeks I tried to "get out of my Windows-world" (Apple TV-ad). > Because I couldn't change to a Mac (I'm a student -- and students do not > have any money as you know) I tried a lot of software. Just a short > overview: This report is rather useless and has

Re: Why "free" shouldn't have to mean "complicated"

2003-05-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 5 May 2003 02:17:57 +0200, Felix Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > But in my opinion free software fails if it is only for geeks. That is a matter of opinion. People who actually work on free software may not feel that way, and, since that is where the work is done, their vi

Re: Why "free" shouldn't have to mean "complicated"

2003-05-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 05 May 2003 01:24:18 +0200, Benoit Peccatte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > After such an answer I thing Felix will never come back and try free > software. Good. It seems to me that free software, as embodied by Debian, was not a good fit for felix. He would be far better off with a Ma

Re: Why "free" shouldn't have to mean "complicated"

2003-05-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 5 May 2003 00:54:07 +0200, Felix Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Good evening In the past weeks I tried to "get out of my > Windows-world" (Apple TV-ad). Because I couldn't change to a Mac > (I'm a student -- and students do not have any money as you know) I > tried a lot of softwar