Re: Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-03-10 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Hello, I'm maybe a bit late for the discussion and maybe things have already been said but here my 2¢ Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: But the Debian packaging (task-print-server, cups, …) still installs _a lot_ of printer drivers and other related packages. Although in the past I was convinced w

Re: Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-02-05 Thread Till Kamppeter
+1 from me, too. Make it Debian-first. We at Ubuntu will sync the Debian package, as we do with most printing-related packages currently. Till On 05/02/2020 07:44, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: By all means, please do it, but please make it Debian-first. I'd be very happy to review and uploa

Re: Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-02-04 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
By all means, please do it, but please make it Debian-first. I'd be very happy to review and upload your wosk to Debian! Le February 5, 2020 6:26:49 AM UTC, Alexander Pevzner a écrit : >On 2/5/20 12:07 AM, Till Kamppeter wrote: >> Someone needs to package ipp-usb. >I think I can do it on Ubuntu

Re: Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-02-04 Thread Alexander Pevzner
On 2/5/20 12:07 AM, Till Kamppeter wrote: Someone needs to package ipp-usb. I think I can do it on Ubuntu (which should not be very different from Debian) -- Wishes, Alexander Pevzner (p...@apevzner.com)

Re: Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-02-04 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
By all means, please do it, but please make it Debian-first. I'd be very happy to review and upload your wosk to Debian! Le February 5, 2020 6:26:49 AM UTC, Alexander Pevzner a écrit : >On 2/5/20 12:07 AM, Till Kamppeter wrote: >> Someone needs to package ipp-usb. >I think I can do it on Ubuntu

Re: Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-02-04 Thread Till Kamppeter
On 04/02/2020 21:39, Brian Potkin wrote: So I recommend for Debian: 1. replace ippusbxd by ipp-usb (the latter should be debianized ASAP). That is someone else's call. Someone needs to package ipp-usb. 2. Update SANE to 1.0.19 and also add the "airscan" backend. 1.0.29 with the san

Re: Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-02-04 Thread Brian Potkin
On Fri 31 Jan 2020 at 18:52:13 +0100, Till Kamppeter wrote: > On 31/01/2020 18:03, Brian Potkin wrote: > > > > The ability to scan, if it exists, is also lost. I'd be inclined to > > guide a user down a driver path. > > > > We have several improvements on that front: > > Most important is the

Re: Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-02-01 Thread Brian Potkin
On Fri 31 Jan 2020 at 14:56:52 +0100, Till Kamppeter wrote: > On 31/01/2020 14:03, Brian Potkin wrote: > > That's perfectly correct. However, from my observations in user forums, > > driverless does not have the visibility amongst users one would like or > > expect. One reason is that the GTK pri

Re: Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-01-31 Thread Till Kamppeter
On 31/01/2020 18:03, Brian Potkin wrote: On Fri 31 Jan 2020 at 16:36:59 +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Le vendredi, 31 janvier 2020, 14.03:46 h CET Brian Potkin a écrit : I would say 100% of popular network printers available for users to purchase in at least the past five years have AirPr

Re: Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-01-31 Thread Brian Potkin
On Fri 31 Jan 2020 at 16:36:59 +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > Le vendredi, 31 janvier 2020, 14.03:46 h CET Brian Potkin a écrit : > > I would say 100% of popular network printers available for users to > > purchase in at least the past five years have AirPrint. For our > > purposes this is t

Re: Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-01-31 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le vendredi, 31 janvier 2020, 16.26:23 h CET Till Kamppeter a écrit : > On 31/01/2020 15:18, Brian Potkin wrote: > >> Which change in the cups-browsed.conf is needed to make the GTK dialog > >> display the printers correctly? > > > > Uncomment "CreateIPPPrinterQueues All", > > > >> I would change

Re: Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-01-31 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le vendredi, 31 janvier 2020, 14.03:46 h CET Brian Potkin a écrit : > I would say 100% of popular network printers available for users to > purchase in at least the past five years have AirPrint. For our > purposes this is the defining aspect of driverless. A number of devices > is USB only. Isn't

Re: Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-01-31 Thread Till Kamppeter
On 31/01/2020 15:18, Brian Potkin wrote: Which change in the cups-browsed.conf is needed to make the GTK dialog display the printers correctly? Uncomment "CreateIPPPrinterQueues All", I would change the defaults of cups-browsed appropriately. Please see #921252 https://bugs.debian.org/c

Re: Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-01-31 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Hello Till, Le jeudi, 30 janvier 2020, 23.26:23 h CET Till Kamppeter a écrit : > In general, printer drivers are supposed to be provided as Printer > Applications from now on. I will do some Printer Applications for legacy > printer drivers for Ubuntu in the next weeks, to be made available as > s

Re: Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-01-31 Thread Brian Potkin
On Fri 31 Jan 2020 at 15:25:30 +0100, Till Kamppeter wrote: > On 31/01/2020 14:03, Brian Potkin wrote: > > I would say 100% of popular network printers available for users to > > purchase in at least the past five years have AirPrint. For our > > purposes this is the defining aspect of driverless.

Re: Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-01-31 Thread Till Kamppeter
On 31/01/2020 14:03, Brian Potkin wrote: I would say 100% of popular network printers available for users to purchase in at least the past five years have AirPrint. For our purposes this is the defining aspect of driverless. A number of devices is USB only. How common are USB-only printers vs.

Re: Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-01-31 Thread Brian Potkin
On Fri 31 Jan 2020 at 14:56:52 +0100, Till Kamppeter wrote: > On 31/01/2020 14:03, Brian Potkin wrote: > > That's perfectly correct. However, from my observations in user forums, > > driverless does not have the visibility amongst users one would like or > > expect. One reason is that the GTK pri

Re: Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-01-31 Thread Till Kamppeter
On 31/01/2020 14:03, Brian Potkin wrote: That's perfectly correct. However, from my observations in user forums, driverless does not have the visibility amongst users one would like or expect. One reason is that the GTK print dialog deals badly with IPP printers. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNO

Re: Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-01-31 Thread Brian Potkin
On Thu 30 Jan 2020 at 16:48:37 +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > Dear Till and Brian, Thank you, OdyX, for including me. It is more than possible I will miss some of the nuance in your mail but I hope there will be something of value in my response. > (I'm currently at pre-FOSDEM miniDebConf

Re: Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-01-30 Thread Till Kamppeter
On 30/01/2020 16:48, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Dear Till and Brian, (I'm currently at pre-FOSDEM miniDebConf in Brussels, if any of you is around, let's chat!) With the blessing of driverless printing, it seems we're now in a world where most (%-age ?) printers sold in the last (how many?)

Printing packaging rework 2020

2020-01-30 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Dear Till and Brian, (I'm currently at pre-FOSDEM miniDebConf in Brussels, if any of you is around, let's chat!) With the blessing of driverless printing, it seems we're now in a world where most (%-age ?) printers sold in the last (how many?) years support driverless printing. Support is not