Re: Why yaboot is NOT for oldworld macs, Oldworld owners please read! (was Re: StarMax and yaboot...)

2000-06-08 Thread Andre Berger
Chris Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Andre Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > [snip..] > > > > Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > yes you need a COMPLETE *REAL* 4MB Finder. > > > > I have removed the "This is a Emergency Boot Floppy System only" alert box > > from

Re: Why yaboot is NOT for oldworld macs, Oldworld owners please read! (was Re: StarMax and yaboot...)

2000-06-07 Thread Chris Baker
Andre Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [snip..] > > Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > yes you need a COMPLETE *REAL* 4MB Finder. > > I have removed the "This is a Emergency Boot Floppy System only" alert box > from > a MacOS 8.1 Emergency floppy system folder and added the Bo

Re: Why yaboot is NOT for oldworld macs, Oldworld owners please read! (was Re: StarMax and yaboot...)

2000-06-07 Thread Andre Berger
[snip..] Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > yes you need a COMPLETE *REAL* 4MB Finder. I have removed the "This is a Emergency Boot Floppy System only" alert box from a MacOS 8.1 Emergency floppy system folder and added the BootX 1.2.2 Extension plus a kernel image. The whole thing is a

Re: Why yaboot is NOT for oldworld macs, Oldworld owners please read! (was Re: StarMax and yaboot...)

2000-06-07 Thread Ethan Benson
On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 04:53:31PM +0200, Olaf Hering wrote: > > Ok, I really like to know what MacOS Versions remove that blessing, or > what ever is the trigger. No Problems here so far. Can you forward such > stufff to me? all versions of macos since 7.5. (that is all we ever worked with) as f

Re: Why yaboot is NOT for oldworld macs, Oldworld owners please read! (was Re: StarMax and yaboot...)

2000-06-07 Thread Olaf Hering
On Wed, Jun 07, Ethan Benson wrote: > > And please: Don't make it unmaintainable with the Apple_Bootstrap type. > > Appfle_HFS is the correct type. > > Please don't create problems for yourself, Apple_Bootstrap is the > correct type. using an HFS partition will only cause you problems and > pa

Re: Why yaboot is NOT for oldworld macs, Oldworld owners please read! (was Re: StarMax and yaboot...)

2000-06-07 Thread Ethan Benson
On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 04:00:18PM +0200, Olaf Hering wrote: > > Copy it to a HFS Partition, it should be a active Systemfolder. If not, > open it, move the Finder to the Desktop, close the folder window, drop > the Finder on the folder icon. The Finder ist only be there to fool > MacOS. It is nev

Re: Why yaboot is NOT for oldworld macs, Oldworld owners please read! (was Re: StarMax and yaboot...)

2000-06-07 Thread Olaf Hering
On Wed, Jun 07, Ethan Benson wrote: > On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 03:35:17PM +0200, Olaf Hering wrote: > > > > I can't solve that /proc /kern thing, its a topic for l-k. > > more like a flamewar... ;-) > > [snip] > > > The support database is nearly empty, for the outside world. I have some > > en

Re: Why yaboot is NOT for oldworld macs, Oldworld owners please read! (was Re: StarMax and yaboot...)

2000-06-07 Thread Ethan Benson
On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 03:35:17PM +0200, Olaf Hering wrote: > > I can't solve that /proc /kern thing, its a topic for l-k. more like a flamewar... ;-) [snip] > The support database is nearly empty, for the outside world. I have some > entries in german, these will be translated and be availabl

Re: Why yaboot is NOT for oldworld macs, Oldworld owners please read! (was Re: StarMax and yaboot...)

2000-06-07 Thread Olaf Hering
On Wed, Jun 07, Ethan Benson wrote: > > > SuSE wrote an extremely obfuscated shell script to try and figure this > > > out, > > > > Cool! And SuSE's a good company that releases things like this as OSS/DFSG > > compliant, > > right? Where can I get it and test it on my machine? (Nothing ob

Re: Why yaboot is NOT for oldworld macs, Oldworld owners please read! (was Re: StarMax and yaboot...)

2000-06-07 Thread Benjamin Herrenschmidt
On Wed, Jun 7, 2000, Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >BenH has told me that he has fixed /dev/nvram so it really does work >now, but nvsetenv is unaware of the new nvram format (which differs >from oldworld's) so all it does is corrupt your nvram. there is >however a new tool `nvtool' whi

Re: Why yaboot is NOT for oldworld macs, Oldworld owners please read! (was Re: StarMax and yaboot...)

2000-06-07 Thread Ethan Benson
On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 08:22:59AM -0400, Adam C Powell IV wrote: > > machines. fortunatly you don't need to set the boot-device at all on > > newworlds if you use IDE disks (the defaults will do just fine) > > Right, and newworlds don't use quik, right? So what's the probem? Is there > a way

Re: Why yaboot is NOT for oldworld macs, Oldworld owners please read! (was Re: StarMax and yaboot...)

2000-06-07 Thread Adam C Powell IV
Okay, I've clearly bitten off more than I can chew. But let's give this a try... Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Adam C Powell IV wrote: > > Ethan Benson wrote: > > > because there is no way to find out that > > > /dev/hda3 == /yucky/openfirmware/device/path/ata/@0:0 > > > > > >

Re: Why yaboot is NOT for oldworld macs, Oldworld owners please read! (was Re: StarMax and yaboot...)

2000-06-06 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Jun 06, 2000 at 11:42:56AM -0400, Adam C Powell IV wrote: > > Usage: nvsetenv variable value > > Cool. I'll try this a bit later, and contribute to the docs on this if I get > a > chance. Maybe even an ncurses front-end matching Boot Variables' functions, > or > debconf for quik? Oth

Re: Why yaboot is NOT for oldworld macs, Oldworld owners please read! (was Re: StarMax and yaboot...)

2000-06-06 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Adam C Powell IV wrote: > Ethan Benson wrote: > > because there is no way to find out that > > /dev/hda3 == /yucky/openfirmware/device/path/ata/@0:0 > > > > this would require kernel modifications becuase the kernel does not > > know either, and there is no reliable way to figur

Re: Why yaboot is NOT for oldworld macs, Oldworld owners please read! (was Re: StarMax and yaboot...)

2000-06-06 Thread Adam C Powell IV
Ethan Benson wrote: > On Tue, Jun 06, 2000 at 10:08:56AM -0400, Adam C Powell IV wrote: > > Ethan Benson wrote: > > > > > 2) why you don't WANT to use yaboot on oldworld hardware: > > > [snip] first let us go over the main complaints about quik: > > > > > > [snip] > > > b) oldworld macs (

Re: Why yaboot is NOT for oldworld macs, Oldworld owners please read! (was Re: StarMax and yaboot...)

2000-06-06 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Jun 06, 2000 at 10:08:56AM -0400, Adam C Powell IV wrote: > Ethan Benson wrote: > > > 2) why you don't WANT to use yaboot on oldworld hardware: > > [snip] first let us go over the main complaints about quik: > > > > [snip] > > b) oldworld macs (with very few exceptions) lack the a

Re: Why yaboot is NOT for oldworld macs, Oldworld owners please read!(was Re: StarMax and yaboot...)

2000-06-06 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Jun 06, 2000 at 06:42:45AM -0700, Brian Macy wrote: > > >From the FAQ it implies it would work. Last sentence implies you should > switch to yaboot even if you do not have a NewWorld machine. i have modifed that section to clarify it. > This actually isn't true for the StarMax. And my

Re: Why yaboot is NOT for oldworld macs, Oldworld owners please read! (was Re: StarMax and yaboot...)

2000-06-06 Thread Adam C Powell IV
Ethan Benson wrote: > 2) why you don't WANT to use yaboot on oldworld hardware: > [snip] first let us go over the main complaints about quik: > > [snip] > b) oldworld macs (with very few exceptions) lack the ability to > interface with OF from the console, instead you must use a serial >

Re: Why yaboot is NOT for oldworld macs, Oldworld owners please read!(was Re: StarMax and yaboot...)

2000-06-06 Thread Brian Macy
Ethan Benson wrote: > > yaboot will not work on oldworld macs, that is why the documentation > says it won't and does not tell you how to set it up ;-) > > this question seems to come up over and over and over and over again, > for some reason alot of people want to make yaboot work on oldworld >

Why yaboot is NOT for oldworld macs, Oldworld owners please read! (was Re: StarMax and yaboot...)

2000-06-06 Thread Ethan Benson
On Mon, Jun 05, 2000 at 09:10:24PM -0700, Brian Macy wrote: > I'm trying to get my StarMax 4400 (OF 2.02) to like yaboot. Simply can't > get it to work. Since it is not a "New World" Mac 90% of the > documentation is not quite right. yaboot will not work on oldworld macs, that is why the documenta

StarMax and yaboot...

2000-06-05 Thread Brian Macy
I'm trying to get my StarMax 4400 (OF 2.02) to like yaboot. Simply can't get it to work. Since it is not a "New World" Mac 90% of the documentation is not quite right. Brian Macy