Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-04-02 Thread Ron Murray
At Thu, 1 Apr 2004 22:29:42 -0500, Nathanael Hasbrouck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thursday 01 April 2004 2031, somebody named Ron Murray inscribed this > message: > > > ... and that's exactly what happened. I removed the PCI SCSI board, > > disconnected power from the SCSI drives, the

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-04-02 Thread Ron Murray
At Thu, 1 Apr 2004 22:19:22 -0800, Brad Boyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 08:09:03PM -0500, Ron Murray wrote: > >Hmmm. I've set the output device to the PCI display with BootVars, > > but I still don't see anything. (I think the machine comes up a bit > > faster no

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-04-02 Thread Brad Boyer
On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 08:09:03PM -0500, Ron Murray wrote: >Hmmm. I've set the output device to the PCI display with BootVars, > but I still don't see anything. (I think the machine comes up a bit > faster now, but I could be imagining things). I still can't get into OF: > there's a pause,

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-04-01 Thread Nathanael Hasbrouck
On Thursday 01 April 2004 2031, somebody named Ron Murray inscribed this message: > ... and that's exactly what happened. I removed the PCI SCSI board, > disconnected power from the SCSI drives, then connected an old SCSI > drive to the other SCSI bus and powered it all up. The installer lock

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-04-01 Thread Ron Murray
Ron Murray wrote: At Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:09:45 -0500, Nathanael Hasbrouck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No chance of it being a termination problem, is there? Linux is a lot more picky about that than MacOS, at least on my 7600's builtin controllers. Had to do some black magic when I put an ID

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-04-01 Thread Ron Murray
Brad Boyer wrote: On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 08:15:20PM -0500, Ron Murray wrote: When I press cmd-opt-o-f (should I do this with power off and turn the box on while holding them down, or can I do it a bit later? If so, how long do you get to do it?), I get the same sequence as that above. It m

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-04-01 Thread Ron Murray
At Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:09:45 -0500, Nathanael Hasbrouck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No chance of it being a termination problem, is there? Linux is a lot more > picky about that than MacOS, at least on my 7600's builtin controllers. > Had to do some black magic when I put an IDE disk in and t

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-31 Thread Brad Boyer
On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 08:15:20PM -0500, Ron Murray wrote: >When I press cmd-opt-o-f (should I do this with power off and turn > the box on while holding them down, or can I do it a bit later? If so, > how long do you get to do it?), I get the same sequence as that above. > It may, of cours

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-31 Thread Nathanael Hasbrouck
On Wednesday 31 March 2004 2141, somebody named Ron Murray inscribed this message: > Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: > >>Anyway, I'm back to having it crash during install. This time I > >> got as far as the dhcp initialisation (which went ok, according to my > >> dhcp server log). I then got th

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-31 Thread Ron Murray
Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: Anyway, I'm back to having it crash during install. This time I got as far as the dhcp initialisation (which went ok, according to my dhcp server log). I then got the "dhcp went ok" dialog with the continue button, but it had locked up at that point and hitting

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-31 Thread Benjamin Herrenschmidt
> Anyway, I'm back to having it crash during install. This time I got > as far as the dhcp initialisation (which went ok, according to my dhcp > server log). I then got the "dhcp went ok" dialog with the continue > button, but it had locked up at that point and hitting keys on the > keyboa

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-31 Thread Ron Murray
Brad Boyer wrote: What does it do when you try cmd-opt-o-f? Have you explicitly set the output-device and input-device? OF is pretty dumb about auto-detecting which devices you want to use for your console. Early models defaulted to using the serial ports, but most G3 based models default to usi

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-31 Thread Ron Murray
Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 03:16:31PM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: Do you have the System.map that corresponds to this kernel ? It's needed to decode the numbers above. It's the standard woody powerpc kernel, from the current CD I think (downloaded it a couple of d

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-31 Thread Brad Boyer
On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 04:41:55PM -0500, Ron Murray wrote: >It does look like I have a lot to learn with these things, > though. And I thought alphas were hard! For one thing, I don't seem to > be able to get into Open Firmware on bootup, even when I press > cmd-option-o-f like the book says.

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-31 Thread Rick Thomas
Clearly it's a bug. And I'll be submitting an installation report / bug report on this and the other bug I noticed. Probably this evening. Rick Sven Luther wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 12:57:13PM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: > > > > > > Rick Thomas wrote: > > > > > > This procedure worked,

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-31 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 12:57:13PM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: > > > Rick Thomas wrote: > > > > This procedure worked, except for two "minor" glitches: > > > > 2) When it came time to reboot and run the configuration part, the > > /etc/fstab file was empty so the reboot failed. I had to boot > >

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-31 Thread Rick Thomas
Rick Thomas wrote: > > This procedure worked, except for two "minor" glitches: > > 2) When it came time to reboot and run the configuration part, the > /etc/fstab file was empty so the reboot failed. I had to boot > single user and do > mount -o remount /dev/hdc8 / > to make root write

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-31 Thread Ron Murray
At Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:13:13 +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 03:16:31PM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Do you have the System.map that corresponds to this kernel ? It's > > > > needed to decode the numbers above. > > > > > >

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-31 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 03:16:31PM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: > > > > > > > Do you have the System.map that corresponds to this kernel ? It's > > > needed to decode the numbers above. > > > > It's the standard woody powerpc kernel, from the current CD I think > > (downloaded it a

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-31 Thread Rick Thomas
This procedure worked, except for two "minor" glitches: 1) I had to use the "DEBCONF_PRIORITY=medium" kernel parameter to get the menu that allowed me to execute "continue without bootloader" immediately after partitioning and formatting the disk (i.e. *before* it attempted to install a bootloade

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Rick Thomas
Sven, archdetect reports powerpc/powermac_oldworld In real life, it's a beige G3 mini-tower. Hope this helps, Rick Sven Luther wrote: > >> libd-i or yaboot or something bug. Maybe archdetect is involved too. Can > you try going to the second console with alt+F2, and send the output of

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Benjamin Herrenschmidt
> > > > Do you have the System.map that corresponds to this kernel ? It's > > needed to decode the numbers above. > > It's the standard woody powerpc kernel, from the current CD I think > (downloaded it a couple of days ago). There's a copy of the sysmap on > the CD; I'll email it direct t

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 01:48:40PM +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: > > > > > Now when I try and boot into the Linux installer, I always get a crash: > > > > Machine check in kernel mode. (regs at c01f5ea0) > > Caused by (from srr1): Unknown values in srr1 > > NIP: C015E3CC XER: LR

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Ron Murray
Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: Now when I try and boot into the Linux installer, I always get a crash: Machine check in kernel mode. (regs at c01f5ea0) Caused by (from srr1): Unknown values in srr1 NIP: C015E3CC XER: LR: C0163014 REGS: c01f5ea0 TRAP: 0200 MSR: 1030 [IR, DR, ME] TASK

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 06:57:30PM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: > 7) At some point inform d-i that I don't want it to > install a boot loader. > (*how???*) d-i shouldn't even be trying to install yaboot-installer at all. Can you get the contents of d-i's /var/log/syslog into a mail? It should con

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread jmdeleu
Sorry to butt in, but Woody installs just fine on Old World Macs using boot floppies and BootX and you can apt-get dist-upgrade to Sarge. I have a Mac 7300/180 running Sarge and kernel 2.4.25-ben1. friendly, -- jean-michel

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Benjamin Herrenschmidt
> > Now when I try and boot into the Linux installer, I always get a crash: > > Machine check in kernel mode. (regs at c01f5ea0) > Caused by (from srr1): Unknown values in srr1 > NIP: C015E3CC XER: LR: C0163014 REGS: c01f5ea0 TRAP: 0200 > MSR: 1030 [IR, DR, ME] > TASK = c01f41e0[0]

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Ron Murray
Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: BootX version is 1.2.2. As for PCI cards, yes, I have three: 1. Atto "Express PCI" SCSI card. Has a SYM53c875 chip. No other markings. 2. Apple iX 3D video board. iXMICRO chip set. TI TVP3030 chip and iXMICRO Twin Turbo 9135-388. 3. Apple Fast Ethernet 10/10

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Benjamin Herrenschmidt
> > BootX version is 1.2.2. As for PCI cards, yes, I have three: > > 1. Atto "Express PCI" SCSI card. Has a SYM53c875 chip. No other markings. > > 2. Apple iX 3D video board. iXMICRO chip set. TI TVP3030 chip and > iXMICRO Twin Turbo 9135-388. > > 3. Apple Fast Ethernet 10/100Base-T Ca

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Ron Murray
Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 09:39, Ron Murray wrote: I've been having lots of problems getting woody installed on a Power Mac G3 minitower (300MHz processor, 128M RAM). Being an oldworld box, I can't boot it from CD. I tried installing from floppies, but that tended

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 07:46:35PM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: > I've gotten this far already several times. If I chose "continue > without..." it complains that there are already files in the filesystem > it's trying to install into. If I say go-ahead anyway, it downloads a > bunch of duplicate pa

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Rick Thomas
I've gotten this far already several times. If I chose "continue without..." it complains that there are already files in the filesystem it's trying to install into. If I say go-ahead anyway, it downloads a bunch of duplicate packages and crashes when trying to re-install them. I'm hoping that i

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 06:57:30PM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: > > Is there some way to tell d-i to not try to install a boot > loader? I think that if I could get past that point, I > might be able to finish a sarge new d-i installation using > BootX as the boot loader. Yes, it fails and then you

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Rick Thomas
Is there some way to tell d-i to not try to install a boot loader? I think that if I could get past that point, I might be able to finish a sarge new d-i installation using BootX as the boot loader. Here's what I think I'd need to do: 1) Install MacOS (8.x or 9.x) in an HFS (*not* HFS+) partiti

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Benjamin Herrenschmidt
On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 09:39, Ron Murray wrote: > I've been having lots of problems getting woody installed on a Power > Mac G3 minitower (300MHz processor, 128M RAM). Being an oldworld box, I > can't boot it from CD. I tried installing from floppies, but that tended > to mostly crash just af

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 04:41:55PM -0500, Ron Murray wrote: > At Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:30:25 +0200, > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 04:01:59PM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: > > > Ron, > > > > > > I've done it (install woody on an OldWorld PowerMac) successfully.

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Ron Murray
At Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:30:25 +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 04:01:59PM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: > > Ron, > > > > I've done it (install woody on an OldWorld PowerMac) successfully. > > Email me at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> if you need help. > > > > You need

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 04:01:59PM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote: > Ron, > > I've done it (install woody on an OldWorld PowerMac) successfully. > Email me at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> if you need help. > > You need BootX, as you have found out. You also need to make sure that > your MacOS partition is HFS

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Rick Thomas
Ron, You don't need to mess with floppies. BootX, which you are already using, works just fine -- and it handles kernels and ramdisk images that are too big for a floppy. Once you get into the debian installer, you will discover that it insists on trying to install the "yaboot" bootloader, which

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Rick Thomas
Ron, I've done it (install woody on an OldWorld PowerMac) successfully. Email me at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> if you need help. You need BootX, as you have found out. You also need to make sure that your MacOS partition is HFS, not HFS+, so that you can copy updated kernels to it while running Linux.

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 06:39:29PM -0500, Ron Murray wrote: >I've been having lots of problems getting woody installed on a Power > Mac G3 minitower (300MHz processor, 128M RAM). Being an oldworld box, I > can't boot it from CD. I tried installing from floppies, but that tended > to mostly c

Re: Problems with install on Power Mac G3 minitower

2004-03-30 Thread Clive Menzies
On (29/03/04 18:39), Ron Murray wrote: >I've been having lots of problems getting woody installed on a Power > Mac G3 minitower (300MHz processor, 128M RAM). Being an oldworld box, I > can't boot it from CD. I tried installing from floppies, but that tended > to mostly crash just after check