Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-08 Thread Matthew T. Atkinson
'ello, On Sun, 2004-08-08 at 11:54, Carlos Perello Marin wrote: > hda1 is where is stored the partition map, if you delete/lose it, your > harddisk will become an empty disk to any operating system. > The hda2 partition is only needed with nonApple Operating systems. You > can boot the macosx i

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-08 Thread Carlos Perello Marin
On Sun, 2004-08-08 at 11:02 +0100, Matthew T. Atkinson wrote: > 'ello, > Hi > Thanks to all who've replied -- OF sounds really very cool! I just read > something in an article hosted by IBM recently and found it a little > odd: > > >From http://tinyurl.com/2aj49 > ``Apple's Open Firmware (an e

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-08 Thread Matthew T. Atkinson
'ello, Thanks to all who've replied -- OF sounds really very cool! I just read something in an article hosted by IBM recently and found it a little odd: >From http://tinyurl.com/2aj49 ``Apple's Open Firmware (an enhanced version of the BIOS Linux users know from x86 PCs) relies on a small "Apple

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-07 Thread Derrik Pates
Carlos Perelló Marín wrote: It also supports network (if your machine is able to do it), cdrom and firewire boot and I suppose that USB boot. Actually it does - basically any NewWorld system can boot from any of those, anything later than the blue&white G3 pretty much. My PowerBook Pismo can

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-06 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 09:07:05PM +0100, Matthew T. Atkinson wrote: > Regarding partitioning and bootloaders like GRUB: If I re-install OSX, > creating a suitable Linux partition and then install Sarge, will its > installation routine be able to set up GRUB to allow me to boot OSX or > Linux? Ye

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-05 Thread Carlos Perelló Marín
On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 22:13 +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: > On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, Carlos [ISO-8859-1] Perelló Marín wrote: > > > > OF is primarily the equivalent of the bios, and like any bios it knows > > > how to boot (but not how to _select_ an OS to boot). So far, I haven't > > > found any comprehe

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-05 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, Carlos [ISO-8859-1] Perelló Marín wrote: > > OF is primarily the equivalent of the bios, and like any bios it knows > > how to boot (but not how to _select_ an OS to boot). So far, I haven't > > found any comprehensive list of keyboard shortcuts. > > That's not true :-) > > P

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-05 Thread Carlos Perelló Marín
On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 21:33 +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: > On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, Matthew T. Atkinson wrote: > > > > > I'm aware that the PowerBook G4 has ``Open Firmware'' -- is this part of > > the BIOS or some kind of in-ROM bootloader? I have searched on the > > Apple web site and can't find any def

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-05 Thread Ken Moffat
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, Matthew T. Atkinson wrote: > > I'm aware that the PowerBook G4 has ``Open Firmware'' -- is this part of > the BIOS or some kind of in-ROM bootloader? I have searched on the > Apple web site and can't find any definitive answer, nor a list of the > numerous keyboard shortcuts t

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-05 Thread Matthew T. Atkinson
'ello, I have found this thread very interesting but, as I am totally new to PPC in general I haven't really understood much of it :-). I'd be grateful if someone could answer a few questions that have popped into my head. I'm pretty sure I'll need to know the answers to get Debian up-and-runnin

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-03 Thread Ole-Egil Hvitmyren
Ross Vumbaca wrote: Hi, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote: To clarify that, the a1bootloader isn't just using routines from GRUB, it is based around the same idea. It's a kind of GRUB for UBoot, currently only useful if you use RDB partition maps, but technically you can stuff it into an MBR as well.

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-03 Thread Ross Vumbaca
Hi, Ole-Egil Hvitmyren wrote: To clarify that, the a1bootloader isn't just using routines from GRUB, it is based around the same idea. It's a kind of GRUB for UBoot, currently only useful if you use RDB partition maps, but technically you can stuff it into an MBR as well. It isn't very useful

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-03 Thread Ole-Egil Hvitmyren
Ross Vumbaca wrote: Hi, Sven Luther wrote: The a1boot loader (which we call "SLB") makes use of GPL code for the ext2/3 reading routines (taken from GRUB), so it will be GPL'd too. Cool. So i could try porting it to the pegasos ? What is the point of that? It's written for UBoot firmware,

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-03 Thread Ross Vumbaca
Hi, Sven Luther wrote: Well, AOS 4 was supposed to use a hardware dongle to work, so ... Which is unrelated to the boot loader. The a1boot loader (which we call "SLB") makes use of GPL code for the ext2/3 reading routines (taken from GRUB), so it will be GPL'd too. Cool. So i could try po

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-03 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 03:21:12PM +1000, Ross Vumbaca wrote: > Hi, > > Sven Luther wrote: > > >I have serious doubts the a1bootloader will be considered open source by > >debian-legal, but i may be wrong. > > How can you say this when you have never seen it in your life? Well, AOS 4 was suppos

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-03 Thread Ross Vumbaca
Hi, Sven Luther wrote: I have serious doubts the a1bootloader will be considered open source by debian-legal, but i may be wrong. How can you say this when you have never seen it in your life? The a1boot loader (which we call "SLB") makes use of GPL code for the ext2/3 reading routines (tak

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-02 Thread Jens Schmalzing
Hi, Sven Luther writes: > Err, ... i think they need a new uboot flavour. Definitely. > I don't think the AmigaOne folk need to worry about power4, they > only have a 7450 or something such as G4 processor, there is no way > they can currently use a PPC970 (aka G5) on their Mai northbridge. Oo

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-02 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 02:45:34PM +0200, Jens Schmalzing wrote: > Hi, > > Ross Vumbaca writes: > > > >>Is the AmigaONE a subarch, or it's own flavor? > > > > Please remind me, what processor does the thing have and how do > > > you boot it? > > Thanks for the info. To answer the original ques

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-02 Thread Jens Schmalzing
Hi, Ross Vumbaca writes: > >>Is the AmigaONE a subarch, or it's own flavor? > > Please remind me, what processor does the thing have and how do > > you boot it? Thanks for the info. To answer the original question: In the current packaging scheme of the Debian kernels, flavours roughly corresp

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-02 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Aug 02, 2004 at 09:42:18AM +0200, Turbo Fredriksson wrote: > I'm trying to understand the PPC architecture. > > What are all those subarchitectures (pmac, chrp, chrp-rs6k and prep) > and why are they special? Why do they warrant their own kernel? They don't. They just use a different boot

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-02 Thread Ross Vumbaca
Hi, Jens Schmalzing wrote: Is the AmigaONE a subarch, or it's own flavor? Please remind me, what processor does the thing have and how do you boot it? IBM 750CXe, or replaceable CPU module with one of the following CPUs: IBM 750FX, MPC7451, MPC7455, will use other CPUs of this family down

Re: PPC subarches

2004-08-02 Thread Jens Schmalzing
Hi, Turbo Fredriksson writes: > What are all those subarchitectures (pmac, chrp, chrp-rs6k and prep) > and why are they special? Why do they warrant their own kernel? The pmac subarch has bootloaders which can boot the kernel as an uncompressed ELF file, and also load a separate ramdisk from a

PPC subarches

2004-08-02 Thread Turbo Fredriksson
I'm trying to understand the PPC architecture. What are all those subarchitectures (pmac, chrp, chrp-rs6k and prep) and why are they special? Why do they warrant their own kernel? Is the AmigaONE a subarch, or it's own flavor? -- Cuba Clinton radar Ortega plutonium domestic disruption [Hello to