of it.
Luigi
Da: Karoly Balogh (Charlie/SGR)
Inviato: giovedì 9 marzo 2017 13.05
A: luigi burdo
Cc: debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org
Oggetto: Re: Bug#857172: Please enable SSE2 on amd64 and disable altivec on PPC
ports
Hi,
On Thu, 9 Mar 2017, luigi burdo wrote
Hi,
On Thu, 9 Mar 2017, luigi burdo wrote:
> I can say for sure one thing. AmigaOs4 have one "external" library that
> work better than Mesa linux too.
>
> It is the warp3d nova who dont have endianess in colors and work with
> all RadeonSI gpus
You are comparing apples to oranges. Warp3D Nove i
e.
Luigi
Da: Karoly Balogh (Charlie/SGR)
Inviato: giovedì 9 marzo 2017 10.46
A: Christian Zigotzky
Cc: debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org
Oggetto: Re: Bug#857172: Please enable SSE2 on amd64 and disable altivec on PPC
ports
Hi,
On Thu, 9 Mar 2017, Christian Zigo
On 09 March 2017 at 10:46 AM, Karoly Balogh (Charlie/SGR) wrote:
Thanks. It was a nice markeking speech, but didn't really address the
questions asked already. For example hardware availability issues.
(Hardware seems out of stock everywhere?)
Charlie
Dear Charlie,
The AmigaOne X5000 can be ord
Hi,
On Thu, 9 Mar 2017, Christian Zigotzky wrote:
> AmigaOS 4.1 has overtaken Linux PPC on our systems. (...) It is very
> fast and reliable.
You don't want to get me started on the "fast and reliable" statement,
really...
But at least I personally need Linux for a completely different purposen
On 03/09/2017 10:02 AM, Christian Zigotzky wrote:
> AmigaOS 4.1 has overtaken Linux PPC on our systems. It supports hardware
> 3D acceleration for modern Radeon graphics cards
Graphics support on Linux is more or less independent of the underlying
hardware (minus some endianness issues). Normally
On 08 March 2017 at 10:29 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Interesting. I had heard that there will be a AmigaOS4 port but I wasn't
aware that they were waiting for the port to be released. The boards itself
are pretty nice though.
Indeed. Actually the X5000 seems out of stock everywhere,
im using my quad g5 is my everyday computer. turn on my i7 macbook only when i
need heavy video renders where the g5 will be 2.3x time slower.
same is for the x5000 but there altivec is not needed or better altivec
software make issue. yes there are many issue on ppc linux. endianess in the
gles
Hi Konstantinos,
Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:
I do not disagree on those points, but it's all a matter of resources.
We do not have the resources of testing on all those platforms, and I
personally know of no Linux powerpc developer that works on a non-
altivec system -except for embedded whic
Hi,
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Interesting. I had heard that there will be a AmigaOS4 port but I wasn't
> aware that they were waiting for the port to be released. The boards itself
> are pretty nice though.
Yeah. I was quite tempted to get one, and replace my old Deb
On 03/08/2017 10:16 PM, Karoly Balogh (Charlie/SGR) wrote:
> Right. Although the Tabor is not in production yet and never went on sale
> officially, because they're waiting for the AmigaOS4.1 developers to pull
> together some semi-working system for the machine. As it supposed to sell
> bundled...
Hi,
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> > I'm pretty sure A-Eon, who are selling the AmigaOne X5000 based on an
> > e5500 core, funds the work of some Linux people to keep Debian up to date
> > for that system. And that's a pretty juicy multicore desktop machine, with
> > PCIe
On 03/08/2017 09:52 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> This is a current in production machine:
>
> http://www.amigaos.net/hardware/133/amigaone-x5000
>
> No altivec. Not an old CPU.
With the pricetag of a Macbook Pro Retina:
> http://amigaonthelake.com/amigaone-x5000-first-encounters-motherboard-b
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 08:08:59PM +0100, Riccardo Mottola wrote:
> Well, it is very sad we aren't release anymore, IMHO, although a fact.
> Yet i think it is wrong raising the bar and excluding many CPUs just because
> it makes things easier.
> powerpc was (and probably still is) a quite popular d
On 03/08/2017 09:45 PM, Karoly Balogh (Charlie/SGR) wrote:
> I'm pretty sure A-Eon, who are selling the AmigaOne X5000 based on an
> e5500 core, funds the work of some Linux people to keep Debian up to date
> for that system. And that's a pretty juicy multicore desktop machine, with
> PCIe slots, R
Hi,
On Wed, 8 Mar 2017, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:
> > There are also other non-Mac machines. E.g. I am pretty sure the
> > Linkbook doesn't have altivec and there were a couple of other
> > similar small netbooks which sadly did not get popular compared to
> > ARM.
>
> I do not disagree on
Στις 08-03-2017, ημέρα Τετ, και ώρα 20:08 +0100, ο/η Riccardo Mottola
έγραψε:
> Well, it is very sad we aren't release anymore, IMHO, although a
> fact.
> Yet i think it is wrong raising the bar and excluding many CPUs just
> because it makes things easier.
> powerpc was (and probably still is) a
Στις 08-03-2017, ημέρα Τετ, και ώρα 19:53 +0100, ο/η John Paul Adrian
Glaubitz έγραψε:
> Actually, it is. ATLAS is one of these libraries which contain lots
> of CPU optimization code and if you really want to use ATLAS for
> actual number crunching, you want to build it from source. It is
> very c
Hi,
On 03/08/17 19:40, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:
Again I don't disagree there, but since it's not a release
architecture, we could just move on to newer CPUs and change the
minimum specs -which would IMHO be a good thing, as it would lower the
number of supported platforms to a much small
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On 03/08/2017 07:40 PM, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:
> That could be applied to many/most/all? packages, so why bother packaging
> them in the first place? Sorry, that's not a very good argument.
Actually, it is. ATLAS is one of these libraries w
Στις 08-03-2017, ημέρα Τετ, και ώρα 17:34 +0100, ο/η John Paul Adrian
Glaubitz έγραψε:
> I'm not aware of any of such -altivec packages and stuff like atlas
> should be compiled from source on the target machine anyway for
> performance reasons.
That could be applied to many/most/all? packages, so
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 06:23:26PM +0200, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:
> For many years, Altivec enablement has been debated in both ports
> (powerpc & ppc64). AFAIR, the consensus is that Altivec should be
> disabled by default and either enabled in a separate package (eg.
> atlas-altivec) or us
Στις 08-03-2017, ημέρα Τετ, και ώρα 16:55 +0100, ο/η John Paul Adrian
Glaubitz έγραψε:
> It should. But it has been like that for ages and no one has
> complained so far unlike with the ppc64 port. So I really think it
> should stay that way. Most PowerPC machines are already underpowered,
> so tak
Hi,
Laurent Bigonville wrote:
For the powerpc port, if G3 are still supposed to be supported,
altivec should be disabled as they are not supporting it IIRC
(longtime I didn't use a ppc machine).
If you are telling me altivec is OK, I guess that the flag can be
removed and the situation can be
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 10:52:21AM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> e5500 does not have it, which means one of the modern powerpc chips
> doesn't support it.
>
> Certainly the powerpc64 port claims e5500 support, and hence does NOT
> assume altivec support.
Right. But that was something that was
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 04:06:17PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> The firefox package is built with AltiVec enabled and so is mplayer,
> for example. So, yes, Altivec is actively used and I would honestly
> refrain from disabling it in a performance-sensitive package like
> babl.
>
> Al
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 04:28:52PM +0100, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
> For the powerpc port, if G3 are still supposed to be supported, altivec
> should be disabled as they are not supporting it IIRC (longtime I didn't use
> a ppc machine).
Would it make much sense to run something like GIMP on a G3
Le 08/03/17 à 16:06, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz a écrit :
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 03:57:55PM +0100, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
Also, I'm not sure that altivec is officially supported on any of the
ppc ports, so I'm disabling it completely, I'm putting debian-powerpc ML
in copy.
The firefox packag
On Wed, Mar 08, 2017 at 03:57:55PM +0100, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
> Also, I'm not sure that altivec is officially supported on any of the
> ppc ports, so I'm disabling it completely, I'm putting debian-powerpc ML
> in copy.
The firefox package is built with AltiVec enabled and so is mplayer,
for
Source: babl
Version: 0.1.18-1
Severity: normal
Hi,
According to [0], optimisation upto SSE2 can be enabled on amd64.
Also, I'm not sure that altivec is officially supported on any of the
ppc ports, so I'm disabling it completely, I'm putting debian-powerpc ML
in copy.
See attached patch.
Rega
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