Andrew Sharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > We only care when you do -- and if bugs are filed, then no one cares.
>
> Um, say what? Did you mean to say 'if no bugs are filed, then no
> one cares.'?
Yah, oops.
I don't mind your brainstorming about a much better installation
system, but that in
On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 11:10:20AM -0700, Tovar wrote:
> thou shall not bitch about thine boot floppies unless thy wish to
> fix them thyself.
>
> OK, then, how does one generate OldWorld boot floppies? What packages
> are required to do that, so whoever takes this on doesn't have to g
On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 11:10:20AM -0700, Tovar wrote:
> thou shall not bitch about thine boot floppies unless thy wish to
> fix them thyself.
>
> OK, then, how does one generate OldWorld boot floppies? What packages
> are required to do that, so whoever takes this on doesn't have to g
thou shall not bitch about thine boot floppies unless thy wish to
fix them thyself.
OK, then, how does one generate OldWorld boot floppies? What packages
are required to do that, so whoever takes this on doesn't have to grovel
through alot of documentation (if it exists) to figure this
> The real question of course is: how easy should the install process be? The
> Debian answer seems to be something like "As easy as our volunteers have time
> for." Since all of us user/maintainers already have everything installed,
> and can use the working-if-not-friendly install process perfe
Adam Di Carlo wrote:
>
> Andrew Sharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > The answer is another question, how wide spread do we want the use
> > of Debian to be? In FreeBSD, it works quite well, and there is no
> > reason it can't work this way on Debian: you enter your network
> > settings, it g
Andrew Sharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The answer is another question, how wide spread do we want the use
> of Debian to be? In FreeBSD, it works quite well, and there is no
> reason it can't work this way on Debian: you enter your network
> settings, it goes off and tries to get the packages
Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> is debian-installer going to do this the same way? copying the kernel
> from the `rescue' disk if thats what it still ends be up being called.
I doubt it -- they use .udebs for this kinda stuff I bet.
--
.Adam Di [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.onshor
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 05:08:42PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 10:53:35AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> > Sven LUTHER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > I have installed (on i386) potato (r0 i think) from CD, and this is
> > > exactly
> > > how it works. it gets the lin
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 10:53:35AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> Sven LUTHER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I have installed (on i386) potato (r0 i think) from CD, and this is exactly
> > how it works. it gets the linux file and the modules.tar.gz to get the
> > modules.
>
> No, that's wishful
Sven LUTHER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have installed (on i386) potato (r0 i think) from CD, and this is exactly
> how it works. it gets the linux file and the modules.tar.gz to get the
> modules.
No, that's wishful thinking. See choose_medium.c:
char kernel_image_path[PATH_MAX+1] = "ima
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 01:52:31PM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 12:40:07AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> > Michael Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > The 'rescue floppy' doesn't even work as this on a whole other bunch of
> > > architectures I bet. Can you b
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 03:37:21PM -0400, Adam C Powell IV wrote:
> So what if there were some company with a commercial interest in writing a
> high-quality installer for Debian? Then they'd hire people to put in lots of
> time to make it nice and friendly, like letting people easily reconfigure
Adam C Powell IV wrote:
>
> Ethan Benson wrote:
>
> > well frankly you need to know the fscking network numbers before going
> > to setup a computer on the network, if you don't know what your
> > network numbers are that can hardly be blamed on debian. dammit Jim
> > im an installer not a psych
Ethan Benson wrote:
> well frankly you need to know the fscking network numbers before going
> to setup a computer on the network, if you don't know what your
> network numbers are that can hardly be blamed on debian. dammit Jim
> im an installer not a psychic!
:-)
> and you can redo the `setup
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 06:49:35PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 07:26:55PM -0700, Andrew Sharp wrote:
> >
> > Me neither, but what the user was insinuating is that he doesn't
> > necessarily know the *right* answers, and wants to have a system
> > where he can try many diff
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 12:40:07AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> Michael Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > The 'rescue floppy' doesn't even work as this on a whole other bunch of
> > architectures I bet. Can you boot from this floppy on sparc?
>
> Sure.
>
> Only on architecture, PowerPC,
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 05:09:53PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 04:41:28PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> > > i don't think its possible to make a generic rescue image that will
> > > boot all the various powerpcs, but isn't there several different
> > > versions of it anyway
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 07:26:55PM -0700, Andrew Sharp wrote:
>
> Me neither, but what the user was insinuating is that he doesn't
> necessarily know the *right* answers, and wants to have a system
> where he can try many different combinations without having to start
> the install from the beginn
Ethan Benson wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 11:56:26AM -0400, Adam C Powell IV wrote:
> >
> > I think I agree with you Ethan, but at the same time, MC does have a point
> > that
> > this makes for a very unfriendly install experience. This is a generic
> > potato
> > boot-floppies issue acr
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 07:14:08PM -0700, Mike Fedyk wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 05:58:59PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote:
> > wish i had the requisite skills to try and make improvments to them
> > but i don't.
> >
>
> Hmm, what exactly would you need to know?
C programming skills and the abil
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 05:58:59PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote:
> wish i had the requisite skills to try and make improvments to them
> but i don't.
>
Hmm, what exactly would you need to know?
2.2.19 root disk prob would need kernel hacking skill
Docs would need a good tech writer. I may be abl
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 11:56:26AM -0400, Adam C Powell IV wrote:
>
> I think I agree with you Ethan, but at the same time, MC does have a point
> that
> this makes for a very unfriendly install experience. This is a generic potato
> boot-floppies issue across all arches. Will the new woody ins
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 01:55:12PM -0300, Peter Cordes wrote:
>
> BTW, when I installed Debian on my Daystar Genesis, (mobo is similar to an
> Apple 9500), I didn't have any trouble with the root floppy. I booted from
> the HFS image, and then loading the root image worked with no problem, IIRC.
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 04:41:28PM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> > i don't think its possible to make a generic rescue image that will
> > boot all the various powerpcs, but isn't there several different
> > versions of it anyway for the different powerpc sub-archs?
>
> Seems like a moot point sin
Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> i don't think it even needs to be that way either. you can do one of
> two things:
>
> make the rescue disk use msdos filesystem instead of ext2, and put a
> .coff format kernel on it. this would be bootable with the
> OpenFirmware command:
>
> boot f
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 11:56:26AM -0400, Adam C Powell IV wrote:
> Ethan Benson wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 01:42:54AM -0400, MC wrote:
> > [install experience and sucky powerpc docs snipped]
> > >
> > > So there's a few more criticisms:
> > >
> > > - after you start up in your initial i
Ethan Benson wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 01:42:54AM -0400, MC wrote:
> [install experience and sucky powerpc docs snipped]
> >
> > So there's a few more criticisms:
> >
> > - after you start up in your initial install and you're trying to
> > initialize apt for the first time, you should be g
Sven LUTHER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> But i was told a long time ago this was not ok, because you have to make sure
> that the kernel used is the same as the modules used.
>
> Is this no mor ethe case ?
No, it's the case, but you can grab the right kernel for your flavor
and subarchitecture e
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 12:40:07AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> Michael Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > The 'rescue floppy' doesn't even work as this on a whole other bunch of
> > architectures I bet. Can you boot from this floppy on sparc?
>
> Sure.
>
> Only on architecture, PowerPC,
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 01:42:54AM -0400, MC wrote:
[install experience and sucky powerpc docs snipped]
>
> So there's a few more criticisms:
>
> - after you start up in your initial install and you're trying to
> initialize apt for the first time, you should be given more diagnostic
> informatio
You should know that I tried very hard to follow the PowerPC
instructions as written for my Mac 8500, and I ran completely into a
stone wall.
If I hadn't done a lot of google searching, I never would have installed
Debian on my PowerPC. My very first debian installation of any sort was
Saturday n
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 12:40:07AM -0400, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> Michael Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > The 'rescue floppy' doesn't even work as this on a whole other bunch of
> > architectures I bet. Can you boot from this floppy on sparc?
>
> Sure.
>
> Only on architecture, PowerPC,
Andrew Sharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> What I was thinking was that a more sophisticated method for
> generating the docs could be utilized. Something that would pull
> arch specific sections from the right places and insert them into
> the doc just before placing that doc at its intended des
Michael Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The 'rescue floppy' doesn't even work as this on a whole other bunch of
> architectures I bet. Can you boot from this floppy on sparc?
Sure.
Only on architecture, PowerPC, is in bad enough shape to require one
image for actual booting (when possible
No, no, yes, and ... no. I have one with a 2.2.17 kernel on it
which isn't good for installations of 2.2r2 because they use the
2.2.18 kernel, so you get these problems with modules but it
_is_ good for a rescue floppy! Just kidding, I don't want to start
the rescue floppy thing again; you st
On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 03:29:06AM -0800, Andrew Sharp wrote:
>
> I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that in fact the rescue floppy is
> bootable on any arch that can boot a CD. Because the bootable part
> of the CD is really just the rescue floppy image. So technically
uh no, only on x86 or an
Michael Schmitz wrote:
>
> > > syslinux actually. and it can take a root= argument but if you don't
> > > give a root= argument you get a root disk prompt.
> >
> > Yeah, that's what I said/meant. The boot-floppy-hfs.img floppy
> > doesn't work the same way as the rescue floppy does for other
> >
On Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 09:34:43PM +0100, Michael Schmitz wrote:
>
> For the remaining tasks, the generic install doc is the better guide
> indeed. My statement above didn't mean I'd like to replace the generic
> docs with per-arch ones. Just separate out the specific things to be more
> flexible
> > syslinux actually. and it can take a root= argument but if you don't
> > give a root= argument you get a root disk prompt.
>
> Yeah, that's what I said/meant. The boot-floppy-hfs.img floppy
> doesn't work the same way as the rescue floppy does for other
> architectures. My point is that for p
On Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 12:00:33PM -0800, Andrew Sharp wrote:
>
> Somebody else pointed out the obvious, which is that I've not done a
> floppy-only install for many years, so it is using the images/files
> off the cdrom, so technically I am using those floppies.
that is what i meant, you need re
Ethan Benson wrote:
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 08:21:18PM -0800, Andrew Sharp wrote:
> >
> > I've never needed rescue.bin for that. Granted I've only done two
> > installs. ~:^) But there are two images called driver-1.bin and
> > driver-2.bin which one might guess have drivers on them. Never
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 11:35:50PM -0800, Tovar wrote:
> > just my crazy suggestion, if you can't get the keyboard to work right
> > for the rootdisk prompt, what about changing it to wait 10 or 15
> > seconds for a rootdisk insertion and
On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 08:21:18PM -0800, Andrew Sharp wrote:
> Ethan Benson wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 02:48:40PM -0800, Andrew Sharp wrote:
> > > Um, yeah, that must be what I meant. Actually, what I meant is
> > > this: the docs constantly talk about booting the rescue floppy for
>
On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 11:35:50PM -0800, Tovar wrote:
> just my crazy suggestion, if you can't get the keyboard to work right
> for the rootdisk prompt, what about changing it to wait 10 or 15
> seconds for a rootdisk insertion and then continuing? would that be
> difficult/messy
At 13:45 +0100 2/27/01, Marco d'Itri wrote:
>On Feb 27, Andrew Sharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >There are two floppy images in the powerpc dist that might be
> >mentioned. One is called rescue.bin, the other boot-floppy-hfs.img,
> >and hence a newbie might easily think that the former is the
On Feb 27, Andrew Sharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>There are two floppy images in the powerpc dist that might be
>mentioned. One is called rescue.bin, the other boot-floppy-hfs.img,
>and hence a newbie might easily think that the former is the rescue
>floppy mentioned often in the docs, but
just my crazy suggestion, if you can't get the keyboard to work right
for the rootdisk prompt, what about changing it to wait 10 or 15
seconds for a rootdisk insertion and then continuing? would that be
difficult/messy to implement?
Well, the standard Mac way of doing things is th
On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 08:21:18PM -0800, Andrew Sharp wrote:
>
> I've never needed rescue.bin for that. Granted I've only done two
> installs. ~:^) But there are two images called driver-1.bin and
> driver-2.bin which one might guess have drivers on them. Never used
> those either.
every ins
Ethan Benson wrote:
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 02:48:40PM -0800, Andrew Sharp wrote:
> > Um, yeah, that must be what I meant. Actually, what I meant is
> > this: the docs constantly talk about booting the rescue floppy for
> > this that and the other. But the "rescue" floppy for the powerpc
> >
On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 02:48:40PM -0800, Andrew Sharp wrote:
> Um, yeah, that must be what I meant. Actually, what I meant is
> this: the docs constantly talk about booting the rescue floppy for
> this that and the other. But the "rescue" floppy for the powerpc
> port is an ext2 file system, and
Um, yeah, that must be what I meant. Actually, what I meant is
this: the docs constantly talk about booting the rescue floppy for
this that and the other. But the "rescue" floppy for the powerpc
port is an ext2 file system, and doesn't boot at all on old world
macs, and I just assumed that it mus
On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 02:28:55PM -0800, Andrew Sharp wrote:
> Welcome to the powerpc boot floppy fiasco. The rescue floppy will
> only work on New World macs, and yours is an old world. The
That's just not true. The rescue floppy is not meant to be booted off
of on this architecture at all.
Welcome to the powerpc boot floppy fiasco. The rescue floppy will
only work on New World macs, and yours is an old world. The
boot-floppy-hfs.img file is the image of a bootable floppy for the
old world macs for install purposes, but it has a keyboard issue and
doesn't work without some modificat
Hallo Kenney,
The boot-floppies are indeed for all architectures.
But for this question, debian-powerpc is a better place to ask.
( there CC-ed )
At 20:25 +0100 2/26/01, Kenney Mark wrote:
>All,
>
>I want to install Debian on a Mac, and can get my Power Macintosh 8500/120
>to the Open Firmware
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