Re: 2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-28 Thread Michael Schmitz
> > The PPP trouble seemed due to a kernel/pppd version mismatch, and I've > > heard nothing to refute that. > > So ppp_2.4.0f-1_powerpc.deb doesn't work with 2.4.0-test kernels? I don't > believe this is the case, because the README.Debian mentions something about > 2.3.99-pre*. If there are si

Re: 2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-28 Thread Adam C Powell IV
Michael Schmitz wrote: > > ... Is there any chance to recover the original topic? > > Sorry, can you remind me what the original topic was? I thought we just > went off philosophizing on the principles of open source management ... > > The PPP trouble seemed due to a kernel/pppd version mismatch,

Re: 2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-28 Thread Adam C Powell IV
Adrian Cox wrote: > Adam C Powell IV wrote: > > Having five people maintaining five PPC trees and occasionally sending > > patches to > > Linus seems the wrong way to maintain an architecture, and an implicit > > resignation to the total worthlessness of any PPC material in the stock > > tree at

Re: 2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-28 Thread Michael Schmitz
> ... Is there any chance to recover the original topic? Sorry, can you remind me what the original topic was? I thought we just went off philosophizing on the principles of open source management ... The PPP trouble seemed due to a kernel/pppd version mismatch, and I've heard nothing to refute

Re: 2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-28 Thread Sergio Brandano
... Is there any chance to recover the original topic? Sergio

Re: 2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-28 Thread Michael Schmitz
> > > Maybe this is related to Eric Raymond's "curse of the gifted" post, and we > > > really > > > > What Eric Raymond? Never seen him on this list ... > > http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/ That one... I was just wondering what he had contributed to the PPC kernel (you may color me heretic here).

Re: 2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-27 Thread Michel Dänzer
Michael Schmitz wrote: > > Maybe this is related to Eric Raymond's "curse of the gifted" post, and we > > really > > What Eric Raymond? Never seen him on this list ... http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/ I understand ESR is one of the great figures of Open Source and currently working on an enhanced co

Re: 2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-25 Thread Michael Schmitz
> > From what I've heard, sparc(64) support in stock is pretty good, m68k too, > > Not m68k AFAIK. As long as I've known about it, it's always needed patches to > even build, let alone run. At least for Amigas, dunno about Macs (the subarch > issue again). Macs?? Need even more patches. And they

Re: 2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-25 Thread Michael Schmitz
First off: I don't think having a complete code fork helps anyone. > Having five people maintaining five PPC trees and occasionally sending > patches to > Linus seems the wrong way to maintain an architecture, and an implicit > resignation to the total worthlessness of any PPC material in the st

Re: 2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-25 Thread Adrian Cox
Adam C Powell IV wrote: > Having five people maintaining five PPC trees and occasionally sending > patches to > Linus seems the wrong way to maintain an architecture, and an implicit > resignation to the total worthlessness of any PPC material in the stock tree > at > all! One problem is keeping

Re: 2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-25 Thread Michel Dänzer
Adam C Powell IV wrote: > > > On a "philosophical" note, since they are so close to working, I'd > > > prefer to use stock kernels and bug report against those, with as little > > > patching as possible, it seems this will hasten the day when unpatched > > > kernels will be usable across more plat

Re: 2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-25 Thread Adam C Powell IV
Michel Dänzer wrote: > Adam C Powell IV wrote: > > > On a "philosophical" note, since they are so close to working, I'd prefer to > > use stock kernels and bug report against those, with as little patching as > > possible, it seems this will hasten the day when unpatched kernels will be > > usable

Re: 2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-25 Thread Benjamin Herrenschmidt
> >I have found the stock 2.4.x kernel comes and goes as to whether or not it >works with PPC. I have had best results syncing up with the bitkeeper >respository at fsmlabs (Paul's webpage has a reference to it). It seems to >have the pmac support in it now, and it usually works. > >I have found

Re: 2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-25 Thread Michel Dänzer
Adam C Powell IV wrote: > On a "philosophical" note, since they are so close to working, I'd prefer to > use stock kernels and bug report against those, with as little patching as > possible, it seems this will hasten the day when unpatched kernels will be > usable across more platforms. I wouldn

Re: 2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-24 Thread David Brown
On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 05:09:56PM -0400, Adam C Powell IV wrote: > But since PPP isn't working, we're not there yet, and I'll go with one of > the PPC-specific trees, maybe bitkeeper as you suggested. It'll be about > a week before I can try again. The bitkeeper free tends to track the official

Re: 2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-24 Thread Adam C Powell IV
David Brown wrote: > I have found the stock 2.4.x kernel comes and goes as to whether or not it > works with PPC. I have had best results syncing up with the bitkeeper > respository at fsmlabs (Paul's webpage has a reference to it). It seems to > have the pmac support in it now, and it usually w

Re: 2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-24 Thread David Brown
On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 08:45:11AM -0400, Adam C Powell IV wrote: > Michel Dänzer wrote: > > Have you tried an earlier 2.3/4 kernel? I've been using ppp 2.3.11 with that > > series of kernels without problems. > > Really? I've had this problem since the first 2.3 kernel I could get to boot, > wh

Re: 2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-24 Thread Adam C Powell IV
Michel Dänzer wrote: > Adam C Powell IV wrote: > > > I just built and installed a 2.4.0-test6 kernel, and with the attached > > patch it builds and boots just fine. The only trouble is that PPP > > doesn't work. > > > > So I got the binary ppp PPC package from woody, which is version > > 2.4.0f-1

Re: 2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-24 Thread Michel Dänzer
Adam C Powell IV wrote: > I just built and installed a 2.4.0-test6 kernel, and with the attached > patch it builds and boots just fine. The only trouble is that PPP > doesn't work. > > So I got the binary ppp PPC package from woody, which is version > 2.4.0f-1, and the changelog.gz file mentions

Re: 2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-24 Thread Adam C Powell IV
Adam C Powell IV wrote: > Greetings, > > I just built and installed a 2.4.0-test6 kernel, and with the attached > patch it builds and boots just fine. Oops, forgot the attached patch. :-) -Adam P. --- 2.4.0-test6/arch/ppc/kernel/pmac_time.c Mon Jul 17 11:18:05 2000 +++ linux/arch/ppc/kernel

2.4.0-test6 ppp trouble

2000-08-23 Thread Adam C Powell IV
Greetings, I just built and installed a 2.4.0-test6 kernel, and with the attached patch it builds and boots just fine. The only trouble is that PPP doesn't work. So I got the binary ppp PPC package from woody, which is version 2.4.0f-1, and the changelog.gz file mentions things which require 2.3