Re: I am planning to restart ppc64 ports project

2010-10-05 Thread Paul Mackerras
On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 08:32:54PM -0700, Brian Morris wrote: > If you are using double precision floating point, the speed of a > program compiled 32bit on a 64bit machine is much much slower (maybe > 1/10). The 64bit kernel supports 64bit operation Only if the program > is compile 64 bit ! Moreo

Re: [Debian-ppc64-devel] I am planning to restart ppc64 ports project

2010-10-05 Thread Brian Morris
On 10/5/10, Thibaut VARÈNE wrote: > > Are you a Gentoo user? ;^P > No because I do not have the steady internet needed and besides I would wish to do custom build as a group. But I know what you mean Gentoo lets you auto build everything yourself from scratch. Its a pain besides that's why I pref

Re: I am planning to restart ppc64 ports project

2010-10-05 Thread Brian Morris
On 10/5/10, Gary Driggs wrote: > On Oct 5, 2010, at 5:59 AM, Wartan Hachaturow wrote: > >> I don't see how this is the reason for /bin/ls being compiled in 64-bit. > > True but Apache, MySQL, OpenOffice.org or LibreOffice, icecat & other > browsers, as well as several other apps would benefit from

Re: Help me, please.

2010-10-05 Thread Tony Nelson
On 10-10-05 12:18:04, Super Bisquit wrote: > You need to look for booting "old-world" macs. I'm using bootx[1] on my 1999 rev. 2 beige G3, using Squeeze upgraded from Lenny. [1] http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/bootx/ -- T

Re: Help me, please.

2010-10-05 Thread Gary
I had pretty good luck with Debian and BootX on an a beige G3 a few years back -- I think I even had it booting off of an external SCSI Iomega Jaz drive. You might also consider NetBSD which will install on both "new world" and "old world" Mac PPC systems: http://netbsd.org/ports/macppc -Gary --

Re: Help me, please.

2010-10-05 Thread Clive Menzies
On 05/10/10 17:18, Super Bisquit wrote: You need to look for booting "old-world" macs. On 10/5/10, Фанур Магафуров wrote: English. Hello. To you writes to a despair the letter the teacher of computer science of Beloretsky lycée-boarding school, Magafurov Fanur Fanovich. Help me to establ

Re: Call for testers: new yaboot package release - power5 installation

2010-10-05 Thread Zsombor
Hello all, Thanks for the suggests, I'm going to change to sid. As I dont like to give up, some further investigation made me clear that mkofboot is a link to /ybin instead of simply ybin. After rebooted in rescue mode, and running ybin manually, prep part. has been set up properly and now the sy

Re: Help me, please.

2010-10-05 Thread Super Bisquit
You need to look for booting "old-world" macs. On 10/5/10, Фанур Магафуров wrote: > English. > Hello. To you writes to a despair the letter the teacher of computer science > of Beloretsky lycée-boarding school, Magafurov Fanur Fanovich. Help me to > establish a stable operating system on my scho

Re: Call for testers: new yaboot package release - power5 installation

2010-10-05 Thread Benjamin Cama
Hi, Le mardi 05 octobre 2010 à 15:12 +0200, Zsombor a écrit : > Oct 5 14:11:33 yaboot-installer: chroot: can't execute 'mkofboot': No > such file or directory This is a packaging mistake, already reported here, and fixed in my git repo. But the package is not up to date. > I included the offici

Re: Call for testers: new yaboot package release - power5 installation

2010-10-05 Thread Gunther Furtado
2010/10/5 Gary Driggs : > On Oct 5, 2010, at 6:12 AM, Zsombor wrote: > >> Do you have any advise? Maybe I missed something from the installer? > > Folks are in the process of fixing that. In the mean time, the best way to > install testing or unstable is to use the advanced option from the stable

Re: gdb 'step' on powerpc

2010-10-05 Thread Mathieu Malaterre
2010/10/5 Baurzhan Ismagulov : > On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 04:35:03PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: >> >>   I am trying to use gdb on my powerpc system, but I cannot figure out >> >> why the instruction 'step' from gdb does not actually step into a >> >> function. Do I need to do something special

Re: I am planning to restart ppc64 ports project

2010-10-05 Thread Gary Driggs
On Oct 5, 2010, at 5:59 AM, Wartan Hachaturow wrote: > I don't see how this is the reason for /bin/ls being compiled in 64-bit. True but Apache, MySQL, OpenOffice.org or LibreOffice, icecat & other browsers, as well as several other apps would benefit from having a smaller, optional repo for 64

Re: Call for testers: new yaboot package release - power5 installation

2010-10-05 Thread Gary Driggs
On Oct 5, 2010, at 6:12 AM, Zsombor wrote: > Do you have any advise? Maybe I missed something from the installer? Folks are in the process of fixing that. In the mean time, the best way to install testing or unstable is to use the advanced option from the stable install discs. kind regards, Ga

Re: gdb 'step' on powerpc

2010-10-05 Thread Baurzhan Ismagulov
On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 04:35:03PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > >>   I am trying to use gdb on my powerpc system, but I cannot figure out > >> why the instruction 'step' from gdb does not actually step into a > >> function. Do I need to do something special ? > > > > Did you compile with optim

Re: gdb 'step' on powerpc

2010-10-05 Thread Mathieu Malaterre
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Baurzhan Ismagulov wrote: > Hello Mathieu, > > On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 04:18:04PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: >>   I am trying to use gdb on my powerpc system, but I cannot figure out >> why the instruction 'step' from gdb does not actually step into a >> functi

Power Mac G3 installation (was: Re: Help me, please.)

2010-10-05 Thread Baurzhan Ismagulov
Hello Fanur Fanovich, On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 03:48:51PM +0400, Фанур Магафуров wrote: > Power Macintosh G3 (1996 of release - beige) ... > is not present more modern opened ON: OS Linux Debian I've never used a Mac. Have you tried http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/index.html.ru ? Wi

Re: gdb 'step' on powerpc

2010-10-05 Thread Baurzhan Ismagulov
Hello Mathieu, On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 04:18:04PM +0200, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: > I am trying to use gdb on my powerpc system, but I cannot figure out > why the instruction 'step' from gdb does not actually step into a > function. Do I need to do something special ? Did you compile with optim

gdb 'step' on powerpc

2010-10-05 Thread Mathieu Malaterre
Hi there, I am trying to use gdb on my powerpc system, but I cannot figure out why the instruction 'step' from gdb does not actually step into a function. Do I need to do something special ? Thanks -- Mathieu ref: $ apt-cache policy gdb gdb: Installed: 6.8-3 Candidate: 6.8-3 -- To UN

Help me, please.

2010-10-05 Thread Фанур Магафуров
English. Hello. To you writes to a despair the letter the teacher of computer science of Beloretsky lycée-boarding school, Magafurov Fanur Fanovich. Help me to establish a stable operating system on my school computers Power Macintosh G3 (1996 of release - beige). My independent search and insta

Re: Call for testers: new yaboot package release - power5 installation

2010-10-05 Thread Zsombor
Hello All, I've created a minimal installer CD with yaboot 1.3.16 and tried on my Power5 machine. The installer is based on squeeze repo. Near the finish, yaboot installer failed: Oct 5 14:11:33 yaboot-installer: info: ofpath returned nothing; leaving out device= line and praying Oct 5 14:11:33

Re: I am planning to restart ppc64 ports project

2010-10-05 Thread Wartan Hachaturow
On Tuesday, October 5, 2010, Brian Morris wrote: > If you are using double precision floating point, the speed of a > program compiled 32bit on a 64bit machine is much much slower (maybe > 1/10). The 64bit kernel supports 64bit operation Only if the program > is compile 64 bit ! Moreover with any

Re: [Debian-ppc64-devel] I am planning to restart ppc64 ports project

2010-10-05 Thread Thibaut VARÈNE
Le 5 oct. 10 à 05:32, Brian Morris a écrit : On 10/4/10, Wartan Hachaturow wrote: The same reasoning as before applies -- why would you want to do this? What are the benefits compared to multiarch ppc32/ppc64? If you are using double precision floating point, the speed of a program comp