Re: xfree 4.0.3 debs for powerpc

2001-09-11 Thread Steven Hanley
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 10:22:36AM +0930, Dan wrote: > Does anyone have debs for xfree 4.0.3 (or above) built on a powerpc against > potato a la C P Botha > http://cpbotha.net/building_xfree86_4.1.0_debs_on_potato.HOWTO I have tried to > do the build on my box but the `LOTS' of disk space needed ar

Re: HFS Plus on Linux ?

2001-09-11 Thread Mike Fedyk
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 11:46:57PM -0300, Leandro Guimar?es Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote: > Stuart Lamble wrote: > > > >If it isn't possible, well, I can live with it.. but it would be > >really nice to have. > > May be you'd fund a hacker to wrote the driver? Every Mac PowerPC user > in >

Re: HFS Plus on Linux ?

2001-09-11 Thread Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra
Stuart Lamble wrote: If it isn't possible, well, I can live with it.. but it would be really nice to have. May be you'd fund a hacker to wrote the driver? Every Mac PowerPC user in the known world would sing you glories... -- _ / \ Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra +55 (

Re: OT: Darwin

2001-09-11 Thread Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra
Ethan Benson wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 06:33:44AM -0300, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote: ive been following apples miserable and pathetic path to OSX since before they bought next. But didn't care even to read Darwin code or the articles whose URLs I gave you.

xfree 4.0.3 debs for powerpc

2001-09-11 Thread Dan
Does anyone have debs for xfree 4.0.3 (or above) built on a powerpc against potato a la C P Botha http://cpbotha.net/building_xfree86_4.1.0_debs_on_potato.HOWTO I have tried to do the build on my box but the `LOTS' of disk space needed are beyond what I can scrounge. thanks Dan Kortschak --

Re: XFree86 update question

2001-09-11 Thread Michel Dänzer
Adam C Powell IV wrote: > > This is all a lot less important given this morning's events, but it is > nice to have X working so I can use a graphival browser, etc. Thanks > Michel! You're welcome, and you're right that this is relatively unimportant. Let me express my deepest shock and sympathy.

Re: XF4.1 Server-crash (cannot read V_BIOS (5) - Please help

2001-09-11 Thread Michel Dänzer
Georg Koss wrote: > So my question has to be reformulated. Has there anything changed with > this incompatibility between UniNorth-machines and the vgaHW layer. The patch I posted here recently might be a solution, it solves our problem but maybe still breaks i386... > Is Michels recommendation

Re: horrible system performance using ide-scsi for cdrom on tibook

2001-09-11 Thread Rob Pfile
this helps, and i guess i can understand why, since it looks like that flag allows other interrupts to be serviced while the cdrom dma interrupts are being handled. however, the system goes from totally unusable to marginally usable after enabling this flag. in contrast there's no noticible load

Re: XF4.1 Server-crash (cannot read V_BIOS (5) - Please help

2001-09-11 Thread Georg Koss
Hello again! Sorry for cross-mailing :-/ and thank you for reply. On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 12:26:28AM +0200, Michel D?nzer wrote: > Georg Koss wrote: > > > (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp > > > > Fatal server error: > > Caught signal 11. Server aborting > > As discussed before, this bug

Re: XF4.1 Server-crash (cannot read V_BIOS (5) - Please help

2001-09-11 Thread Georg Koss
Hi again, I read the archives and have to apologize one more time :-/ Exactly this topic was discussed in June and explained by Michel D?nzer. So my question has to be reformulated. Has there anything changed with this incompatibility between UniNorth-machines and the vgaHW layer. Is Michels re

Re: horrible system performance using ide-scsi for cdrom on tibook

2001-09-11 Thread Michel Dänzer
rob pfile wrote: > > I've posted on a similar topic before. the short story is that i could > not make the dvd/cdrom drive in the tibook work for audio extraction > unless i used the ide-scsi package. > > while that worked in the sense that cdparanoia could see the drive, > system performance dur

Re: XF4.1 Server-crash (cannot read V_BIOS (5) - Please help

2001-09-11 Thread Michel Dänzer
Georg Koss wrote: > (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp > > Fatal server error: > Caught signal 11. Server aborting As discussed before, this bug used to be covered by a hack, but that broke i386. I have posted a new patch but haven't gotten any feedback yet. The recommended solution is Opti

Apoligies for that unidentified subject

2001-09-11 Thread Individual . .
As this mail's subject says, i apologize for not using a subjet on my last email, it was an oversight. Paul

Re: Unidentified subject!

2001-09-11 Thread Michel Dänzer
"Individual . ." wrote: > > Startups into Linux now take about 1 minute more. This is because the > startup process is interrupted at this point: > > eth0 Found Broadcom BCM5201 PHY > Link state change, phy_status: 0x782d > Link up ! BCM5201 Aux_stat 0x003d > > It appears long e

Re: Unidentified subject!

2001-09-11 Thread Bastien Nocera
Individual . . wrote: Startups into Linux now take about 1 minute more. This is because the startup process is interrupted at this point: eth0 Found Broadcom BCM5201 PHY Link state change, phy_status: 0x782d Link up ! BCM5201 Aux_stat 0x003d It appears long enough for me to

Re: XFree86 update question

2001-09-11 Thread Michael Heironimus
At 18:08 -0400 9/10/01, Adam C Powell IV wrote: Second problem: using gdm and gnome-session, the mouse stops working after the first logout, that is, the mouse is frozen at the second gdm login screen. I observed this behavior also on an i386 system freshly installed with X 4.1.0 three weeks a

Re: XFree86 update question

2001-09-11 Thread Adam C Powell IV
This is all a lot less important given this morning's events, but it is nice to have X working so I can use a graphival browser, etc. Thanks Michel! Michel Dänzer wrote: On Tue, 2001-09-11 at 00:08, Adam C Powell IV wrote: [ broken keymap with XFree86 4.1.0 ] I tried both "macintosh" and "

horrible system performance using ide-scsi for cdrom on tibook

2001-09-11 Thread rob pfile
I've posted on a similar topic before. the short story is that i could not make the dvd/cdrom drive in the tibook work for audio extraction unless i used the ide-scsi package. while that worked in the sense that cdparanoia could see the drive, system performance during cd ripping is terrible. the

Unidentified subject!

2001-09-11 Thread Individual . .
Startups into Linux now take about 1 minute more. This is because the startup process is interrupted at this point: eth0 Found Broadcom BCM5201 PHY Link state change, phy_status: 0x782d Link up ! BCM5201 Aux_stat 0x003d It appears long enough for me to write it down, and then i

Re: Compile err with kernel-2.4.9 : kbd_rate undeclared when building on ppc.

2001-09-11 Thread Laurent de Segur
on 9/11/01 12:20 AM, Ethan Benson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 11:04:19PM -0700, Laurent de Segur wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I tried compiling the latest kernel (2.4.9) in order to use linux keycodes >> (which seems to be required as I updated XF86 from 4.0 to 4.1.) > > 2.4.9 i

Re: .config for boot-floppy-hfs.img

2001-09-11 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 03:45:37PM +0200, Damien Morel wrote: > Hi, > > do some of you know where can I find the .config file used to > generate the kernel on powerpc's boot-floppy-hfs.img > (http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-powerpc/3.0.13-2001-08-25/powermac/images-1.44/boot-f

XF4.1 Server-crash (cannot read V_BIOS (5) - Please help

2001-09-11 Thread Georg Koss
Hello all! I did a upgrade from XF4.0.3 to XF4.1 and experienced a server-crash with message: (EE)R128(0): Cannot read V_BIOS (5) Short characteristic of my box Apple G4 with 17" Apple CRT, Rage 128 with 16MB Video-RAM, running Woody (Kernel Benh 2.4.8-ben0 with no DRI and apgart), gcc 2.95.4,

.config for boot-floppy-hfs.img

2001-09-11 Thread Damien Morel
Hi, do some of you know where can I find the .config file used to generate the kernel on powerpc's boot-floppy-hfs.img (http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-powerpc/3.0.13-2001-08-25/powermac/images-1.44/boot-floppy-hfs.img to be exact). Thanks in advance. Dams.

Re: [davidw@debian.org: Bug#111905: Upgrade to X in testing breaks alt keys]

2001-09-11 Thread David N. Welton
Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I know that, but I had reconfigured it, and it worked. As the > > administrator of my computer, my preferences take precedence. I > > accept that fact, however, that I'm running testing and things > > aren't going to be perfect. What I would like to

RE: OT: Darwin

2001-09-11 Thread "Berg, Björn"
> -Original Message- > From: Derrik Pates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:29 PM > To: "Berg, Björn" > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, "Berg, Björn" wrote: > > > Well, then would be miboot my choice. I'm trying to set up > a system which > > does not require MacOS in a

Re: [davidw@debian.org: Bug#111905: Upgrade to X in testing breaks alt keys]

2001-09-11 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 01:25:30PM +0200, David N. Welton wrote: > > How so? What was wrong with it? it used adb keycodes by default ;-) > I know that, but I had reconfigured it, and it worked. As the > administrator of my computer, my preferences take precedence. I > accept that fact, howeve

RE: OT: Darwin

2001-09-11 Thread Derrik Pates
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, "Berg, Björn" wrote: > Well, then would be miboot my choice. I'm trying to set up a system which > does not require MacOS in any way. BootX won't run on my Powerbook, don't > ask me why, but it does not run. So MkLinux-Booter was the only choice at > the moment. Try http://nu

Re: HFS Plus on Linux ?

2001-09-11 Thread Michael Schmitz
> >nope, there is no linux filesystem driver for HFS+ that works, and > >likly never will be, there was some work going on but it stalled and > >died. > > Why is this? If hfsplusutils can happily read from HFS+ volumes, it > says to me that the structure of the filesystem is reasonably well > docum

Re: HFS Plus on Linux ?

2001-09-11 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 08:26:01PM +1000, Stuart Lamble wrote: > > Why is this? If hfsplusutils can happily read from HFS+ volumes, it > says to me that the structure of the filesystem is reasonably well > documented.. and I can't think of a significant reason why this would apple has in fact doc

Re: [davidw@debian.org: Bug#111905: Upgrade to X in testing breaks alt keys]

2001-09-11 Thread David N. Welton
Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 10:57:29AM +0200, David N. Welton wrote: > > What changed then? Why did it work for me before and it doesn't > > work now, without Xmodmapping it? The heart of the question seems > > to be that X is translating 125 into 115 - ho

Re: HFS Plus on Linux ?

2001-09-11 Thread furball
> Why is this? If hfsplusutils can happily read from HFS+ volumes, it > says to me that the structure of the filesystem is reasonably well > documented.. and I can't think of a significant reason why this would > not be possible. Mind you, I've never worked with the kernel, so I'm > no expert -- th

Re: HFS Plus on Linux ?

2001-09-11 Thread Stuart Lamble
In debian.powerpc, Ethan Benson wrote: >On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 11:21:13AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [on HFS+ under Linux] >hfsplusutils as as close as you will ever get. [...] >nope, there is no linux filesystem driver for HFS+ that works, and >likly never will be, there was some work going

[davidw@dedasys.com: Bug#111905: 115 is now apple key in X]

2001-09-11 Thread Branden Robinson
-- G. Branden Robinson| We either learn from history or, Debian GNU/Linux | uh, well, something bad will [EMAIL PROTECTED] | happen. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Bob Church --- Begin Message --- More information: W

Re: HFS Plus on Linux ?

2001-09-11 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 11:21:13AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I have two HFS Plus partitions and i want to mount them on my > Potato. you can't. > Does anyone have already do that ? hfsplusutils as as close as you will ever get. > I have found last week a tool who can

Re: OT: Darwin

2001-09-11 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 06:33:44AM -0300, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote: > It's interesting how people not in the know have hard opinions on > what's > possible and what's not. ive been following apples miserable and pathetic path to OSX since before they bought next. >

Re: OT: Darwin

2001-09-11 Thread Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra
Ethan Benson wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 05:59:57AM -0300, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Funny that I got it not from /. but from MkLinux, OSF, the OpenStep community and NeXT. well its wrong. they use bsd userland, stuff like find, cp, ls, mv et al. NOT the kernel. the BSD kernel i

Re: HFS Plus on Linux ?

2001-09-11 Thread Matt Brubeck
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have found last week a tool who can access HFS Plus drive/partitions > but it cannot mount them in the Unix tree, and this tool is a rpm > format :-( You probably mean the hfsplus utils. You can find them in Debian in the package "hfsplus" in woody

Re: OT: Darwin

2001-09-11 Thread Matt Brubeck
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Ethan Benson wrote: > they did NOT use the bsd kernel. that is a myth propagated by > slashdot mostly. "The Darwin kernel is based on FreeBSD and Mach 3.0 technologies." -- official Darwin website More specifically, Wilfredo Sanchez refered to Darwin 1.0 as "the first v

Re: OT: Darwin

2001-09-11 Thread Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra
Ethan Benson wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 05:36:53AM -0300, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote: Ethan Benson wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 04:47:07AM -0300, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti No, no no. Mach can't support an userland all by itself, it needs servers; in Mac OS

HFS Plus on Linux ?

2001-09-11 Thread bda
Hi everybody, I have two HFS Plus partitions and i want to mount them on my Potato. Does anyone have already do that ? I have found last week a tool who can access HFS Plus drive/partitions but it cannot mount them in the Unix tree, and this tool is a rpm format :-( Thanks in advance. Dabowl

Re: OT: Darwin

2001-09-11 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 05:59:57AM -0300, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote: > Ethan Benson wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 05:36:53AM -0300, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti > > > > they did NOT use the bsd kernel. that is a myth propagated by slashdot > > mostly. > > Funny

Re: OT: Darwin

2001-09-11 Thread Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra
Ethan Benson wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 05:36:53AM -0300, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti they did NOT use the bsd kernel. that is a myth propagated by slashdot mostly. Funny that I got it not from /. but from MkLinux, OSF, the OpenStep community and NeXT. Then what they used? The w

Re: [davidw@debian.org: Bug#111905: Upgrade to X in testing breaks alt keys]

2001-09-11 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 10:57:29AM +0200, David N. Welton wrote: > > What changed then? Why did it work for me before and it doesn't work > now, without Xmodmapping it? The heart of the question seems to be > that X is translating 125 into 115 - how does it do that? Is it > configurable? becau

Re: [davidw@debian.org: Bug#111905: Upgrade to X in testing breaks alt keys]

2001-09-11 Thread David N. Welton
Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 10:21:11AM +0200, David N. Welton wrote: > > Michel Dänzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Tue, 2001-09-11 at 07:16, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > > Is this the linux keycodes issue again? > > > Yes. > > Well, yes and no.

Re: OT: Darwin

2001-09-11 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 05:36:53AM -0300, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote: > Ethan Benson wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 04:47:07AM -0300, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti > > > >>No, no no. Mach can't support an userland all by itself, it needs > >> servers; in > >>Mac OS

Re: OT: Darwin

2001-09-11 Thread Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra
Ethan Benson wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 04:47:07AM -0300, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti No, no no. Mach can't support an userland all by itself, it needs servers; in Mac OS X, these servers are just one, and it is the BSD kernel minus the low-level hardware interface part. you are w

Re: XFree86 update question

2001-09-11 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:58:00AM +0200, David N. Welton wrote: > Adam C Powell IV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I had this same problem, and still can't figure out an answer to > > it. The breakage occurred between 4.0.3 and 4.1.0 (which may have just > > made it into testing?), and I upgrad

Re: [davidw@debian.org: Bug#111905: Upgrade to X in testing breaks alt keys]

2001-09-11 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 10:21:11AM +0200, David N. Welton wrote: > Michel Dänzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Tue, 2001-09-11 at 07:16, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > Is this the linux keycodes issue again? > > > > Yes. > > Well, yes and no. I had linux keycodes working just fine, untill

Re: XFree86 update question

2001-09-11 Thread David N. Welton
Adam C Powell IV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I had this same problem, and still can't figure out an answer to > it. The breakage occurred between 4.0.3 and 4.1.0 (which may have just > made it into testing?), and I upgraded kernel-image-2.2.19-pmac at the > same time. Yeah, I have some troubles

Re: OT: Darwin

2001-09-11 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 04:47:07AM -0300, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote: > Ethan Benson wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 03:17:21AM -0300, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti > > > > OSX does not use the BSD kernel. it uses some of the freebsd userland > > (after apple broke it and

Re: [davidw@debian.org: Bug#111905: Upgrade to X in testing breaks alt keys]

2001-09-11 Thread David N. Welton
Michel Dänzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 2001-09-11 at 07:16, Branden Robinson wrote: > > Is this the linux keycodes issue again? > > Yes. Well, yes and no. I had linux keycodes working just fine, untill Branden's latest X upgrade broke my Apple key, which was chugging along happily

Re: [davidw@debian.org: Bug#111905: Upgrade to X in testing breaks alt keys]

2001-09-11 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2001-09-11 at 07:16, Branden Robinson wrote: > Is this the linux keycodes issue again? Yes. > Can someone help me to write an XFree86/PowerMac keyboard FAQ? How can I help? -- Earthling Michel Dänzer (MrCooper)/ Debian GNU/Linux (powerpc) developer XFree86 and DRI project member /

Re: OT: Darwin

2001-09-11 Thread Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra
Ethan Benson wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 03:17:21AM -0300, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti OSX does not use the BSD kernel. it uses some of the freebsd userland (after apple broke it and fubared it) No, no no. Mach can't support an userland all by itself, it needs servers; in Mac OS X,

Re: OT: Darwin

2001-09-11 Thread Ethan Benson
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 03:17:21AM -0300, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote: > And it makes sense: as Mach under a monolithic kernel is only bloat, > and as > most of the services in Mac OS X are provided by the Cocoa (OpenStep, > Objective C) layer, it pays to use a simpler,

RE: OT: Darwin

2001-09-11 Thread "Berg, Björn"
From: Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM > Berg, Björn wrote: > > > > Thanks for this interesting news and background information! > > Hm. I should quit being a Mac-fan, GNU-believing, > hacker-wannabe DBA and try

Re: Compile err with kernel-2.4.9 : kbd_rate undeclared when building on ppc.

2001-09-11 Thread Ethan Benson
On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 11:04:19PM -0700, Laurent de Segur wrote: > Hi, > > I tried compiling the latest kernel (2.4.9) in order to use linux keycodes > (which seems to be required as I updated XF86 from 4.0 to 4.1.) 2.4.9 is broken, use something else. 2.4.8 or 2.4.10pre[456] (maybe) -- Ethan

Re: OT: Darwin

2001-09-11 Thread Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra
Berg, Björn wrote: Thanks for this interesting news and background information! Hm. I should quit being a Mac-fan, GNU-believing, hacker-wannabe DBA and try to do something as a Computer Historian (do such a thing exist?) or industry analyst -- but then, I think my views are too much again

RE: OT: Darwin

2001-09-11 Thread "Berg, Björn"
> From: Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:17 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Bjoern Berg wrote: [...] Thanks for this interesting news and background information! > > Well, that's what I'm looking for, but not as alternative more

Re: OT: Darwin

2001-09-11 Thread Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra
Bjoern Berg wrote: On Sonntag, 9. September 2001 05:23 Leandro Guimarães Faria Corsetti Dutra wrote: [...] Perhaps you should wait not only for usability, but also for politics. Apple's license on Darwin isn't free, and the goodies that compensate for Darwin's problems aren't even available

Compile err with kernel-2.4.9 : kbd_rate undeclared when building on ppc.

2001-09-11 Thread Laurent de Segur
Hi, I tried compiling the latest kernel (2.4.9) in order to use linux keycodes (which seems to be required as I updated XF86 from 4.0 to 4.1.) During the kernel build, the compiler stopped with an error: drivers/char/vt.c:507: 'kdb_rate' undeclared. Examining the file vt.c, the segment of code

[davidw@debian.org: Bug#111905: Upgrade to X in testing breaks alt keys]

2001-09-11 Thread Branden Robinson
Is this the linux keycodes issue again? Can someone help me to write an XFree86/PowerMac keyboard FAQ? -- G. Branden Robinson| The greatest productive force is Debian GNU/Linux | human selfishness. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Robert Hei