Re: /usr/share/doc (was Re: weekly policy summary)

1999-08-05 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 01:05:13AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Marcus> You're correct. The old prerm script is called before an > Marcus> update. This makes my analysis wrong indeed. The prerm > Marcus> scripts can go aft

How we got here, and how to prevent it from happening again.

1999-08-05 Thread bmbuck+debian
Greetings, If I understand it, we got to the current situation with regard to /usr/doc and /usr/share/doc by something like the following process: We were FSSSTD compliant, and everyone was happy -- except those working on FSSSTD, who saw some problems with the FSSSTD. They worked on the

Bug#40766: Rewrite of "configuration files" section

1999-08-05 Thread Steve Greenland
On 03-Aug-99, 11:56 (CDT), Kai Henningsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I second this. BTW, where are the policy changing rules written down? I > just looked and couldn't find them. > They're now in the debian-policy package, as /usr/doc/debian-policy/proposal.* The wording is weird, because i

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-05 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 02:15:38PM -0700, Joey Hess écrivait: > So debian's new statement WRT partial upgrades will be "you can install > packages from unstable. However, you may have to edit arbitrary files > and change your system in arbitrary undocumented ways to make them work > as you would ex

Bug#42432: debian-policy: Proposal for CTV for Draft for Proof of Concept for Draft for Proposal for Proposal for CTV for a CTV to decide on a proposal for a CTV for the CTV on whether or not we shoud have a CTV on the /usr/doc to /usr/share/doc transition now, or later.

1999-08-05 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 09:44:41PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman écrivait: > Previously Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > The only working solution I see is that we should have a group of > > (known) developers that would decide in such difficult cases. > > Someone should request the technical committee for a

Bug#42477: PROPOSED} delay the /usr/doc transition till after potato

1999-08-05 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 04:02:14PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > + For the release code-named "Potato", packages should > + continue to use /usr/doc instead of the FHS's > + /usr/share/doc, for consistency. For uploads to > + "Potato" (and the e

Bug#41121: PROPOSED] Add VISUAL when checking for user's editor

1999-08-05 Thread Chris Waters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes, in Bug#41121: > Add the following section 5.4 as the next to last paragraph (i.e. before > the one beginning "Since the Debian base system..."). > A program may also use the VISUAL environment variable [...] I se

Re: Other FHS issues (was Re: /usr/share/doc: some new proposals)

1999-08-05 Thread Julian Gilbey
> I could swear that a couple of people *DID* say exactly that -- that > if we fix debhelper and whatever the other tool is, we'll only have a > handful of packages left to fix. Obviously, you and *I* know this is > pretty darned unlikely to happen by Potato's release! :-) (I think the issue was

Bug#42477: PROPOSED} delay the /usr/doc transition till after potato

1999-08-05 Thread Julian Gilbey
> PROPOSAL (0.9): delay the /usr/share/doc transition > + For the release code-named "Potato", packages should > + continue to use /usr/doc instead of the FHS's > + /usr/share/doc, for consistency. For uploads to > + "Potato" (and the earlier

Re: Bug#42477: PROPOSED} delay the /usr/doc transition till after potato

1999-08-05 Thread Johnie Ingram
"Julian" == Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> /usr/doc whereever this document refers to + /usr/share/doc. Julian> Seconded. Wusses. :-) netgod Debianism [DEH-BEE-IN-ISIM] /n./ An open source (GPL'd) religion founded on the beliefs of the GNU-GPL

Bug#42477: PROPOSED} delay the /usr/doc transition till after potato

1999-08-05 Thread Ardo van Rangelrooij
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 04:02:14PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > > + For the release code-named "Potato", packages should > > + continue to use /usr/doc instead of the FHS's > > + /usr/share/doc, for consistency. For uploads

Bug#42477: PROPOSED} delay the /usr/doc transition till after potato

1999-08-05 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 04:02:14PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > Package: debian-policy > Version: 3.0.1.0 > > PROPOSAL (0.9): delay the /usr/share/doc transition The problem with this is that there are more than 100 packages using /usr/share/doc already, and there likely will be more. For the ef

Re: Bug#42477: PROPOSED} delay the /usr/doc transition till after potato

1999-08-05 Thread Julian Gilbey
> > "Julian" == Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> /usr/doc whereever this document refers to + /usr/share/doc. > > Julian> Seconded. > > Wusses. :-) Huh? What does that mean? Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian

Re: Bug#42477: PROPOSED} delay the /usr/doc transition till after potato

1999-08-05 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 15:54:49 +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > Wusses. :-) > > Huh? What does that mean? "wuss" is US slang for "wimp" or perhaps "coward". What netgod probably means is that this proposal is basically a cop-out, postponing the work until after potato's release. I agree with t

Bug#40766: Rewrite of "configuration files" section

1999-08-05 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Greenland) wrote on 04.08.99 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 03-Aug-99, 11:56 (CDT), Kai Henningsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I second this. BTW, where are the policy changing rules written down? I > > just looked and couldn't find them. > > > > They're now in the debia

Bug#42052: #42052: [PROPOSAL] /var/mail and /var/spool/mail

1999-08-05 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Joseph Carter wrote: > > BTW: The footnote pointed out by Antti-Juhani should be reworded also. > > (Yes, this is the footnote saying we should still follow /var/spool/mail > > regardless of what FHS says). > > I oppose the footnote. [...] Sorry for the bad wording... I mean

Re: Bug#42052: PROPOSAL] /var/mail and /var/spool/mail

1999-08-05 Thread Ian Lynagh
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ruud de Rooij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >From the Packaging manual, section 8.2: > > Thus `Depends' allows package maintainers to impose an order in which > packages should be configured. > > `dpkg' will not configure packages whose dependencies aren't

Bug#42052: PROPOSAL] /var/mail and /var/spool/mail

1999-08-05 Thread Santiago Vila
On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 12:16:51PM -0700, Carl R. Witty wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 08:32:57AM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: > > > > > I second this proposal, but please change the word "dependency" > > > > > by "Pre-Dependency" > > > Why does /var

Re: Bug#42052: PROPOSAL] /var/mail and /var/spool/mail

1999-08-05 Thread Johnie Ingram
"Ian" == Ian Lynagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ian> What does dpkg do in the case of circular dependencies? It dies a horrible, violent death -- see Bugs 22999, 23611, 23906, 24626, 24690, 24923, 26084, 29901, 34136, 34174, 34287, 38155, 38288, 38378, 38381, 38393, 38754, 39204, 39275, 41611,

Bug#42477: PROPOSED} delay the /usr/doc transition till after potato

1999-08-05 Thread Santiago Vila
On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Chris Waters wrote: > Package: debian-policy > Version: 3.0.1.0 > > PROPOSAL (0.9): delay the /usr/share/doc transition > > ABSTRACT: If we start moving the contents of /usr/doc to > /usr/share/doc at this point, not long before a release, we will > either have to delay the r

Re: Bug#42052: PROPOSAL] /var/mail and /var/spool/mail

1999-08-05 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 03:40:50PM +0100, Ian Lynagh wrote: > What does dpkg do in the case of circular dependencies? It breaks the cycle (I'm not sure by which criteria) and configures the packages in the newly-defined order. -- %%% Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://www.iki.fi

Re: Bug#42052: PROPOSAL] /var/mail and /var/spool/mail

1999-08-05 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 01:10:35PM -0400, Johnie Ingram wrote: > Ian> What does dpkg do in the case of circular dependencies? > > It dies a horrible, violent death No it does not. > -- see Bugs 22999, 23611, 23906, > 24626, 24690, 24923, 26084, 29901, 34136, 34174, 34287, 38155, 38288, > 38378,

Re: Bug#42052: PROPOSAL] /var/mail and /var/spool/mail

1999-08-05 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 03:40:50PM +0100, Ian Lynagh wrote: > > What does dpkg do in the case of circular dependencies? > > It breaks the cycle (I'm not sure by which criteria) and configures the > packages in the newly-defined order. APT brea

Re: Bug#42477: [PROPOSED} delay the /usr/doc transition till after potato

1999-08-05 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Chris Waters wrote: > Therefore, I propose that Packages intended for for the distributions > code-named "Potato" (and "Slink") continue to use /usr/doc. This will > ensure that Potato is consistent. Plus, this gives us an entire > release cycle to find a smooth transition pa

Re: Bug#42477: PROPOSED} delay the /usr/doc transition till after potato

1999-08-05 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote: > "wuss" is US slang for "wimp" or perhaps "coward". What netgod probably > means is that this proposal is basically a cop-out, postponing the work > until after potato's release. I agree with that, but the powers that be > regrettably do not seem to

Re: Other FHS issues (was Re: /usr/share/doc: some new proposals)

1999-08-05 Thread Chris Waters
Julian Gilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > (I think the issue was with the /usr/doc->/usr/share/doc move, not > with FHS compliance. Yes, I'm trying to see the big picture, though. Why are we moving to /usr/share/doc? FHS. Well, then, what about the FHS, are we close? No. So the only thing

Bug#42477: PROPOSED} delay the /usr/doc transition till after potato

1999-08-05 Thread Chris Waters
Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think there are several wrong assumptions here: Hmm, maybe so. Or at least arguable points. But these were all in the preamble, not in the proposal itself. The proposal was a pretty simple statement. :-) > 1. "Today is not long before a release".

Bug#42477: PROPOSED} delay the /usr/doc transition till after potato

1999-08-05 Thread Chris Waters
Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 04:02:14PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote: > > PROPOSAL (0.9): delay the /usr/share/doc transition > The problem with this is that there are more than 100 packages using > /usr/share/doc already, and there likely will be more. I've

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-05 Thread Chris Waters
Laurent Martelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My very personal opinion about all this, is that we need more > abstraction : packages _should_not_ hardcode installation paths. I > think that it should be an option that the sysadmin should be able to > change anytime, without having to rebuild all

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-05 Thread Jean Pierre LeJacq
On 5 Aug 1999, Chris Waters wrote: > Laurent Martelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > My very personal opinion about all this, is that we need more > > abstraction : packages _should_not_ hardcode installation paths. I > > think that it should be an option that the sysadmin should be able to >

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-05 Thread Laurent Martelli
> "Chris" == Chris Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Chris> Laurent Martelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> My very personal opinion about all this, is that we need more >> abstraction : packages _should_not_ hardcode installation >> paths. I think that it should be an option that th

Re: I'm sorry to open another can of worms but.. /usr/share/man transition

1999-08-05 Thread Laurent Martelli
> "JP" == Jean Pierre LeJacq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: JP> On 5 Aug 1999, Chris Waters wrote: >> Laurent Martelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > My very personal opinion about all this, is that we need more > >> abstraction : packages _should_not_ hardcode installation >>

Re: Bug#42477: PROPOSED} delay the /usr/doc transition till after potato

1999-08-05 Thread Joseph Carter
On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 05:14:37PM +0200, J.H.M. Dassen Ray" wrote: > > > Wusses. :-) > > > > Huh? What does that mean? > > "wuss" is US slang for "wimp" or perhaps "coward". What netgod probably > means is that this proposal is basically a cop-out, postponing the work > until after potato's re