Re: md5sum proposal

1999-05-19 Thread Christoph Lameter
On 18 May 1999, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Precisely. You have yet to come up with anything that adresses > the technical shortcomings of the md5sum proposal. I, for one, use > tripwire. I would much prefer to use a free solution, but I do not > have time to write a secure replacement.

Re: logrotation

1999-05-19 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 04:02:11PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Also, one does not want the *.0 files that lgorotate creates, > so the expression gets more complex. (a.log, a.log.0, a.log.1.gz, > etc) Or, alternately, $ tail -n0 -f /var/log/* ...to only give output for files th

Re: md5sum proposal

1999-05-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Christoph" == Christoph Lameter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Christoph> On 18 May 1999, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Precisely. You have yet to come up with anything that adresses >> the technical shortcomings of the md5sum proposal. I, for one, use >> tripwire. I would much prefer to use

Re: logrotation

1999-05-19 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 02:34:43PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > Or, alternately, > > $ tail -n0 -f /var/log/* > > ...to only give output for files that actually change while you're > watching. > > Do we actually have some packages using Joseph's logrotate.deb yet, btw? It > seems a little p

Re: logrotation

1999-05-19 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 01:50:33AM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 02:34:43PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Do we actually have some packages using Joseph's logrotate.deb yet, btw? It > > seems a little premature to ammend policy before the package has undergone > > much tes

Re: logrotation

1999-05-19 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 07:22:42PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > The package is considered production quality by Redhat (not that this > > means ANYTHING...) I've locally converted exim, apache, and a couple > > other things to it. Seems to work fine. > > Well, I'd presume it's the rpm that Red

Re: md5sum proposal

1999-05-19 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Heres my two pence worth of garbage: 1. If each package had a md5sum file, one could verify the space requirements before installing a package. 2. md5sum files in the package could be signed. (secure) 3. After configuration new md5sums can be generated and signed (for security) With signe

Re: logrotation

1999-05-19 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 02:47:45AM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: > Yes, got all the seconds it needs. It's now been changed to [AMMENDMENT] > iirc (I'm about to hit the sack so don't count on my memory) The only > thing that has come up is the sudden question about the .log thing, which > I actuall

Re: md5sum proposal

1999-05-19 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 11:57:54AM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > 1. If each package had a md5sum file, one could verify the space >requirements before installing a package. Huh? .md5sums don't have any size information. How would this help? > 2. md5sum files in the package could be signed.

Re: md5sum proposal

1999-05-19 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Anthony Towns writes: > [1 ] > On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 11:57:54AM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > > 1. If each package had a md5sum file, one could verify the space > >requirements before installing a package. > > Huh? .md5sums don't have any size information. How would this help? Ups, yo

Re: md5sum proposal

1999-05-19 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 01:23:48PM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > > [1 ] > > On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 11:57:54AM +0200, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > > > 1. If each package had a md5sum file, one could verify the space > > >requirements before installing a package. > > Huh? .md5sums don't have an

Re: md5sum proposal

1999-05-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Goswin" == Goswin Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Goswin> Anthony Towns writes: >> Taking an md5sum of the control.tgz and data.tgz components as a whole >> and signing these would be somewhat more `secure' and certainly no >> more difficult. Goswin> Yep. Saying that xxx has n

Bug#37999: [PROPOSED]: A pre-install required space checking mechanism for Debian packages

1999-05-19 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Package: debian-policy Version: 2.5.0.0 Hi, At several times during the last year or so, there have been proposals about making it possible to do a preinstall space check. This proposal includes a mechanism for doing just that. This requires that we include size information; e

Re: logrotation

1999-05-19 Thread ferret
I've installed it onto my real potato system, then it complains about no 'utmp' group and exits status 1. Is there any special way to create the group? I'm assuming it doesn't need a specific gid, just one in the system range. On Wed, 19 May 1999, Joseph Carter wrote: [snip] > The package is co

Bug#37999: PROPOSED]: A pre-install required space checking mechanism for Debian packages

1999-05-19 Thread Richard Braakman
Is a pregenerated du file necessary? You already assume that you have the package at hand, so you might as well collect size information from the package directly. That way, you can also handle differences in block sizes. And it means that you don't have to change every package. Richard Braakma

Re: logrotation

1999-05-19 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 10:23:43AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've installed it onto my real potato system, then it complains about no > 'utmp' group and exits status 1. Is there any special way to create the > group? I'm assuming it doesn't need a specific gid, just one in the system > rang

Re: the freedom to boycott non-free software

1999-05-19 Thread Gordon Matzigkeit
> Joseph Carter writes: JC> [1 ] On Fri, May 07, 1999 at JC> 01:59:44PM -0600, Gordon Matzigkeit wrote: >> As a note, RMS just wrote me back: JC> Would you mind posting the whole email? From: Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: the final piece To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fr

Bug#37999: PROPOSED]: A pre-install required space checking mechanism for Debian packages

1999-05-19 Thread Joey Hess
I'll second this proposal in a heartbeat if you include the actual text to put in the policy manual to go with it. Your basic scheme looks fine, but I don't like seconding policy until I've seen the actual text. :-) -- see shy jo

Bug#37999: PROPOSED]: A pre-install required space checking mechanism for Debian packages

1999-05-19 Thread Joey Hess
Richard Braakman wrote: > Is a pregenerated du file necessary? You already assume that you have > the package at hand, so you might as well collect size information from > the package directly. That way, you can also handle differences in block > sizes. And it means that you don't have to change

[META] policy summaries

1999-05-19 Thread Joey Hess
I've converted my weekly policy postings over to using an xml database, and generate a html file from that hourly (though I don't necessarily update it hourly :-). The page can be found here, perhaps people can let me know if I'm missing anything or if they have ideas for a better format: