Re: let's be practical [Re: Software in main etc.]

1999-05-08 Thread Kristoffer . Rose
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- - --J6FFpFs/nX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Marcus Brinkmann writes: > We just would need a setup where those interests don't collide. There is the > real problem: People who feel strong about Free Software (mora

Re: let's be practical [Re: Software in main etc.]

1999-05-07 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Hello. On Thu, May 06, 1999 at 11:58:08PM -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > Let me suggest one possibly large cost that you did not mention: loss of > focus. Right now Debian has a clear message that unifies developers. A > kind of mission statement. It is also a message that Debian effectively

Re: let's be practical [Re: Software in main etc.]

1999-05-07 Thread Havoc Pennington
On 6 May 1999, Gordon Matzigkeit wrote: > HP> 1. Decide what it is you are trying to achieve. > > Total independence from non-free software. > ... > Benefits: `pure' will make it easy for Debian users to participate in > a boycott of all non-free software. This will help channel support > towa

Re: let's be practical [Re: Software in main etc.]

1999-05-06 Thread Gordon Matzigkeit
[Thanks, Havoc. You've got a great sense of direction.] > Havoc Pennington writes: HP> 1. Decide what it is you are trying to achieve. Total independence from non-free software. HP> What *actual practical benefit* can be shown to exist *in a HP> predictable, relatively short timeframe*,

Re: let's be practical [Re: Software in main etc.]

1999-05-06 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
I propose that we say that software that can read a proprietary file format or network protocol is Ok for main, as long as it's linked (ln) to libraries that can go in main, and the company or person who wrote the original protocol or file format doesn't object to our using it (or the a

let's be practical [Re: Software in main etc.]

1999-05-06 Thread Havoc Pennington
Hi, Third party perspective: the reason this is a neverending unproductive conversation is because there is no focus. Let's drop all the grandiose speculation and philosophizing (a quick web search would turn up countless examples of my own guilt; so no fingers pointed). Here are the steps to ma