Re: Why licenses *are* free (was: Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-16 Thread Santiago Vila
On 16 Aug 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > We ship software with a copyright attached to it. > > On the contrary. Look at what ships /usr/doc/copyright/GPL. > The package base-files ships the licenses un attached to software. [...] Yes, but

Re: Why licenses *are* free (was: Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marcus> Maybe it helps if I rephrase. I think that it does not make Marcus> sense to talk about stand alone licenses (and you are talking Marcus> about stand alone licenses), because we don't ship them. We Marcus> ship software wit

Re: Why licenses *are* free (was: Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-16 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Aug 15, 1998 at 10:26:52PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Marcus> [...] > >> > This would essentially be a free+(name change, remove non-technical > part) > >> > copyright, and it is exactly that what is already granted by

Re: Why licenses *are* free (was: Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marcus> [...] >> > This would essentially be a free+(name change, remove non-technical part) >> > copyright, and it is exactly that what is already granted by law. It is >> > not >> > necessary to include all permissions already

Re: Why licenses *are* free (was: Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marcus> On Sat, Aug 15, 1998 at 11:13:35AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: compromise. It is a better delinieation of the >> issue. I think things are not just black or white; and the verbatim >> section recognizes that fact. I thin

Re: Why licenses *are* free (was: Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-15 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Aug 15, 1998 at 01:54:50PM +0100, Jules Bean wrote: > On Sat, 15 Aug 1998, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > > > * Deriving a new license from the GPL using the terms of the GPL is already > > granted by common law. * > > This is the critical point. I was not aware of this fact. If it is tr

Re: Why licenses *are* free (was: Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-15 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sat, Aug 15, 1998 at 11:13:35AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > As to PGP, as son as the replacement (GPG) becomes stable and > functional, we are going to start using that. We depend on PGP since > so far, there was no cho

Re: Why licenses *are* free (was: Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-15 Thread Richard Braakman
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Sorry. The same reasoning applies to the FSSTND. I know of no > standard out there that would be allowed in main; that should be > enough reason too. The FHS is free. I seem to remember that requests from our side were one of the reasons its license is different

Re: Why licenses *are* free (was: Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marcus> On Fri, Aug 14, 1998 at 10:26:01AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Marcus> Well, this depends how much weight you give to the advantages Marcus> and disadvantages and is essentially opinion. For me, the Marcus> consequence

Re: Why licenses *are* free (was: Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-15 Thread Jules Bean
On Sat, 15 Aug 1998, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > On Fri, Aug 14, 1998 at 10:26:01AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: [The next section is Marcus, of course - manoj is double-indented] > My fear is that people will be satisfied with documents belonging in the > "verbatim" section. For example, if sof

Why licenses *are* free (was: Re: Why I don't share Manojs fears.

1998-08-15 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Fri, Aug 14, 1998 at 10:26:01AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > > All Right!. This is a good message; something I can sink my > teeth into. Thank you. I'll apologize for all fuss I created. This is a difficult issue, and it was hard for me to get my thoughts sorted out. >