Re: Tutorial #2: using dpkg in user space

1997-10-25 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
On Sat 25 Oct 1997, Ian Jackson wrote: > Andreas Jellinghaus: > > here is my tutorial of dsource, a 100% vaporware program. > > [...] > > I would say `I like it', but then I'd lose my image as unfailingly > critical. So instead I'll say `I have some quibbles with the command > name / option parsi

Re: Tutorial #2: using dpkg in user space

1997-10-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Andreas Jellinghaus: > here is my tutorial of dsource, a 100% vaporware program. > [...] I would say `I like it', but then I'd lose my image as unfailingly critical. So instead I'll say `I have some quibbles with the command name / option parsing implied by your transcript'. Ian.

Re: Tutorial #2: using dpkg in user space

1997-10-24 Thread Mark Eichin
> You are arguing for an atomic kernel operation. Is that really fair? No, actually, I'm simply pointing out that saying "there would be no possibilities for errors" was, as it stood, incorrect -- and your argument depended on it being correct. It's a minor point, but I thought I made that clea

Re: Tutorial #2: using dpkg in user space

1997-10-24 Thread Jim Pick
[ I'm replying, even though I want this thread to die! ] Mark Eichin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > A src-orig-*.deb file is a simple wrapper for the tarballs + any extra > > information you want to add to the description. It would be possible > > to wrap one around a tarball with a single com

Re: Tutorial #2: using dpkg in user space

1997-10-24 Thread Mark Eichin
> Unfortunately, my hopes have been dashed. I now realize that dpkg has > only ever aspired to be "throw away code", so I should look elsewhere Tsk, tsk. Not all custom applications are throwaway, even though the "unix philosophy" might indicate that. Sometimes, as in this case, they actually

Re: Tutorial #2: using dpkg in user space

1997-10-24 Thread Jim Pick
[ Here goes my 2nd try - 2.0.31 has froze twice on me today, arrgh. ] Mark Eichin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I don't think I'll find any src-orig-*.deb files on prep. My point > was that I can take the .tar.gz files that I *do* find everywhere and > just use them, without having to go throug

Re: Tutorial #2: using dpkg in user space

1997-10-24 Thread Mark Eichin
Just to make it clear, not to keep pounding, but: >Again, with the proposed system, this is easy - just install an upgraded >src-orig-*.deb file. I don't think I'll find any src-orig-*.deb files on prep. My point was that I can take the .tar.gz files that I *do* find everywhere and just use them

Re: Tutorial #2: using dpkg in user space

1997-10-24 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
here is my tutorial of dsource, a 100% vaporware program. $ mkdir ~/debian# Choose where you want stuff $ cd ~/debian # alternative "echo root=~/dir > ~/.dsource" $ dsource-ftp get hello Connecting to my.ftp.server. Changing Diretory to /debian/dist/stable/main/so

Re: Tutorial #2: using dpkg in user space

1997-10-24 Thread Jim Pick
Mark Eichin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Clever -- but an amazing kludge :-) Remember that it's ok for this to > be hackish for "installing debian packages in user space" because > that's simply a *rare* operation -- the whole point of debian packages > is that they fit cleanly into a debian sys

Re: Tutorial #2: using dpkg in user space

1997-10-24 Thread Mark Eichin
>Using dpkg this way is great for my proposed source packages, but it is >also useful for any Debian package you might want to install in >user space only. Clever -- but an amazing kludge :-) Remember that it's ok for this to be hackish for "installing debian packages in user space" because that

Tutorial #2: using dpkg in user space

1997-10-23 Thread Jim Pick
Part of the opposition to my proposed source packaging format is that it forces people to use dpkg, which must be run as root. I have demonstrated in the previous tutorial that it is possible to still use the packages in user space by using dpkg-deb --extract. I have since discovered that it is