Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-15 Thread Russ Allbery
The Wanderer writes: > As to why it's listed as being a conflict, my understanding is that the > upstream e16 used to be called enlightenment - that upstream, in fact, > considers them to be in some sense different versions of the same > package. (This is part of why it seems to me that there *sh

Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-15 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/13/2009 02:18 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: The Wanderer writes: The e16keyedit package used to depend on (or, rather, recommend) the enlightenment package. It now recommends on the e16 package. The enlightenment package has been removed from Debian, with the justification that it has been re

Different reply operations (was: Silently breaking on upgrade)

2009-10-13 Thread Ben Finney
The Wanderer writes: > (Also, unrelated: the Debian mailing list etiquette page says not to > CC someone on a post to the list unless specifically requested. Right, thanks for taking notice of that. > However, hitting Reply on a list message populates the To field only > with the previous poste

Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread Russ Allbery
The Wanderer writes: > The e16keyedit package used to depend on (or, rather, recommend) the > enlightenment package. It now recommends on the e16 package. The > enlightenment package has been removed from Debian, with the > justification that it has been replaced by the e16 package. > The enligh

Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/13/2009 11:38 AM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, The Wanderer wrote: That's what I'd have thought, but I've run across a package which does seem to do this, and the maintainer seems to consider it an acceptable situation. Before trying to argue too much about that, I wanted to

Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:23:26AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > That's what I'd have thought, but I've run across a package which does > seem to do this, and the maintainer seems to consider it an acceptable > situation. Before trying to argue too much about that, I wanted to > confirm that it was

Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, The Wanderer wrote: > That's what I'd have thought, but I've run across a package which does > seem to do this, and the maintainer seems to consider it an acceptable > situation. Before trying to argue too much about that, I wanted to > confirm that it was in fact 'officially'

Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/13/2009 09:47 AM, Mark Brown wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:37:26AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: The question itself, in its starkest form, is simple. Under what circumstances, if any, is it considered acceptable for a package which is installed as a dependency by the upgrade of anot

Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/13/2009 11:19 AM, The Wanderer wrote: (Also, unrelated: the Debian mailing list etiquette page says not to CC someone on a post to the list unless specifically requested. However, hitting Reply on a list message populates the To field only with the previous poster's own address, and hittin

Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/13/2009 09:50 AM, sean finney wrote: hi, On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:37:26AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: Under what circumstances, if any, is it considered acceptable for a package which is installed as a dependency by the upgrade of another package to silently break the system? what de

Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread Mark Brown
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:37:26AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > The question itself, in its starkest form, is simple. > Under what circumstances, if any, is it considered acceptable for a > package which is installed as a dependency by the upgrade of another > package to silently break the system

Re: Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread sean finney
hi, On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:37:26AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > Under what circumstances, if any, is it considered acceptable for a > package which is installed as a dependency by the upgrade of another > package to silently break the system? what defines "silently break the system"? that's

Silently breaking on upgrade

2009-10-13 Thread The Wanderer
I am not certain that this is the correct list for this question; it is a question about Debian's policy, but I am not certain that it is about the type of policy which is covered by the debian-policy manual and thus the type which is to be discussed here. I have not been able to find a formal st